No Foreign Relations Experience, You Say?

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Neglecting that the Democrat nominee has no experience in running anything, Democrats have launched attacks against Senator mcCain’s pick of Alaska Governor, Sarah Palin as VP, crying that she isn’t experienced should anything happen to McCain, when he wins the election.

The video below is the message delivered by Governor Palin to participants at the 2008 IOGCC Midyear Issues Summit in Calgary in May. She currently serves as Chairman of the group.

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42 thoughts on “No Foreign Relations Experience, You Say?

  1. VP Sarah Palin

    Interesting how the SOCIALISTCRATS and some of there Liberal-Tarian Friends on this Blog(and you know who you are) are beside themselves over the Great Pick by John McCain of this well qualified woman who will be our Next Vice President of the United States.

    PS: Foreign Relations is not where the SocialistCrats ought to go since they care more about Party First and Country 3rd or is it 4th.

    PPS: I liked the Gas Pipeline should talked about in this Video.

  2. Interesting that on the subject of the gas pipeline, she didn’t mention any executives of the oil industry… who’ve repeatedly indicated their willingness to engineer and build this pipeline on their own dime without the taxpayers forking over a red cent. Curiously, Palin and the Alaska State Legislature prefers to spend up to $500 million to get another company to do it. Way to spend taxpayer money to do what a third party offered to do for free. And people say she’s an economic conservative?

  3. Keith, it’s obvious you can’t stand the lady. But, with all your claims, why not supply links to these “people who say?”

    I’d like to read actual words of these “executives” who said they would do it totally free.

    Could it be that your source leaves out something important, like hidden costs or taxpayer guaruntees, in case the project was abandoned?

  4. Keith/Lew

    As I interpret the tax primer that you were kind enough to forward earlier Lew, I believe if the State is to invest their own monies, in lieu of the companies themselves, then the company(ies) would likely have to forgo the tax credit for captial expenditures. This obviously would enhance the States return on net income and ultimately return the invested funds ($500 million) at some future date.

    While I haven’t seen the numbers for the pipeline relative to specific companies or time frame, some how I suspect, Keith, that Governor Palin will make sure the taxpayers receive a satisfactory return or dividend. I also suspect given her stated desire to tap existing Alaska energy resources, that both the residents of Alaska and those energy companies involved in Alaska energy development and production will benefit.

    Nice to see a politician that both looks out for her constituents and promotes economic development.

    Oregon should take note!

  5. I’ll comb through the Akourage paper for ya, Lew. Unfortunately, the frequent visitor to Alaska that I reference wasn’t on the ground much longer than it took to switch planes on his way to Deadhorse and thus didn’t think of grabbing copies of the papers he was telling me about. Regardless, I’ll see if he remembers about when he saw the articles I refer to.

    I’ll point out, though, that “hidden costs” is nonsense (since the companies wouldn’t be publishing expenditure reports, which of the costs wouldn’t be “hidden”?) and the only thing that could armtwist the oil companies into stopping construction of something they want to build is the government doing something to make it absurdly expensive or difficult. At which point, it’s the government’s responsibility to pick up the pieces of their screwup.

  6. I appreciate your optimism, Pete, but you are talking about an elected official in a government. To actually ensure that taypayers will gain something for the $500 million expenditure (and since it’s the government, I guarentee that it’ll magically inflate the bill somehow) would imply that she can exert more influence on the process than any governor previous to her in any state. I also appreciate that she has a worthy goal but prima facie, she’s choosing to pay a large sum for something that she could get for a much smaller price. This is typical government thinking at work: it’s better that the government control a project and pay for a project and manage a project than allowing a private entity to do it better for cheaper. The Trans-Alaska Pipeline, which is the method by which oil gets to Valdez for transport, was built by the oil companies without requiring a red cent of taxpayer money and look how much Alaska has benefitted from it. Incidentally, the oil companies also maintain the thing… again, the taxpayers benefit from oil flowing freely through the pipeline without the taxpayers having to give up a single penny for it. This is the best of both worlds so is it really rational to argue that a the same people who built the TAP aren’t the people you want to tap to build this other pipeline? I don’t believe it is but then again, the government is rarely rational in spending.

  7. Sarah Palin’s mother-in-law uncertain about how she’ll vote
    Updated Sunday, August 31st 2008, 2:27 AM

    WASILLA, Alaska – Sarah Palin’s hometown rallied around her as mayor – now Republicans wonder if the rest of America will warm up to the surprise pick from cold country.
    Though her mother-in-law has doubts.
    Faye Palin admitted she enjoys hearing Barack Obama speak, and still hasn’t decided which way she’ll vote.
    “We don’t agree on everything. But I respect her passion,” she said. “Being pro-life is who Sarah is.”
    Faye Palin said the governor never considered ending her recent pregnancy when genetic testing showed her son Trig, born in April, would have Down syndrome.
    “There was no question,” she said. “She was going to have that baby.”
    With a population of just 6,715, Wasilla is a fast-growing railroad town that got its start as a mail and supply hub linking the coastal towns of Seward and Knik to Alaska’s interior mining camps along the Iditarod dog sled trail.
    Scores of reporters descended Saturday on the A-frame wood hunting lodge where Sarah Palin’s parents live amid hundreds of sets of trophy antlers and a taxidermy collection that includes a giant moose head and a full-grown mountain lion.
    Faye Palin said the entire family was shocked by the news on Friday.
    “I’m not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she’s a woman and a conservative. Well, she’s a better speaker than McCain,” Faye Palin said with a laugh. “People will say she hasn’t been on the national scene long enough. But I believe she’s a quick study.”
    She said people doubted Sarah Palin when she ran for City Council, but that her daughter-in-law had a “singular focus.”
    “She was out there with [then-young son] Track, pulling him around from house to house in a wagon,” she said.
    Sarah Palin is well known as a former high school basketball star, cross-country runner, beauty queen, hockey mom, city council member and Wasilla’s mayor from 1996 to 2007.
    “I think it’s great. She’s a hometown girl from Smallville, USA,” said Felix Bruno, 43, a masonry contractor who plowed her driveway. “She’s not afraid to speak her mind. She really dropped the hammer on the politicians fleecing Alaska.”
    At the local Mat-Su Family Restaurant in downtown Wasilla, a Bible-study group that includes two ex-mayors from neighboring cities cheered her pick as McCain’s running mate.
    “She’s an excellent social conservative, fiscal conservative and political conservative,” said Tom Baird, 68, a Vietnam veteran who sat with his Gideon Bible opened to 1Corinthians. “If she can energize the conservative base, it won’t matter if she gets the women’s vote.”
    “This is a really nice person, and she’s disarming in that way,” said George Carte, 67, a retired geophysicist who was mayor of neighboring Palmer when Palin was mayor of Wasilla.
    “I was very impressed with her as mayor,” said Carte. “She did some housecleaning with her department heads. She had to learn about the sewers, the libraries, public safety.”
    But even with her impressive approval rating, Palin still has work to do even in her own hometown.
    “I’m still leaning toward Obama. I think Sarah has been really good for our state, and it would be wonderful to see her in the White House, but she’s on the ticket with McCain, and I can’t vote for McCain,” said Eileen Moe, 33, a second grade teacher at Iditarod Elementary, which Palin’s kids attended.
    “If it was her running for president, there’d be no question in my mind,” Moe said. “The Republicans right now are about big business and big oil. I don’t see Sarah as a staunch Republican in that way.”
    Not everyone is convinced her experience as mayor and governor are enough for a vice president who would be next in line to the presidency.
    “I wouldn’t say she’s qualified,” said Bill Gleason, 60, a contractor from nearby Big Lake. “I want someone with a little more experience. “

  8. Keith

    We are arguing points without a lot of detail yet, but as I read the tax primer forwarded by Lew,

    “At the same time, the state and oil companies had begun negotiating a contract to build a natural gas pipeline from Alaska to Lower 48 markets. Among the concerns noted by oil company executives was the future of oil production taxes. They argued that fiscal certainty for oil production was needed for a natural gas pipeline.

    The need to encourage more investment in Alaska, record high oil prices at a time when the state had no means to capture the windfall, the perceived shortcomings of the ELF, and the preparation for a large natural gas pipeline all played a role in prompting policymakers to reform the production tax system.”

    The change of the tax production system then outlined in that document cited a change to focus on net operating income.

    “Components of the Petroleum Profits Tax or PPT

    The PPT differs from the previous ELF-based tax system in a number of ways. The primary difference is that the PPT taxes net profits rather than gross profits. Because of this distinction, the tax has become company-specific, whereas the previous tax was property-specific.”

    If this approach is used the oil company would have to incur the cost/investment to reduce gross revenue by investment amount. If state stepped up and invested the funds, the company wouldn’t be able to reduce gross revenue by that cost/investment and therefore net operating income would be higher and subject to higher tax liability.

    Here are a couple of article references by the way.

    It is hard for me to believe, given the above articles, that this infrastructure investment, if managed propertly, would be anything but benefical to all involved — the State, the voters, taxpayers and oil industry. It would appear that the State is simply deferring the income generated by their investment decision.

  9. Foreign Relations? By her very example, she has run a city the size of Cornelius and a state Half the size in population of Portland, OR. If those are her qualifications, then Mayor Tom has better qualifications. At least he has met with the Chinese and Japanese Governments.

    Conservatives that like this nomination do in fact like Palin better than McCain. Who ever heard of people choosing a ticket based on the VP? Especially one who didn’t even know what the VP functions are less than a week ago. Not even her own mother-in-law believes she is qualified. There will definately be political ads on this one.

  10. Me said,

    “Foreign Relations? …. Who ever heard of people choosing a ticket based on the VP?”

    Obama’s foreign relations credentials?? To quote you,
    “Who ever heard of people choosing a ticket based on the VP?”

    Me, interesting observation

    “By her very example, she has run a city the size of Cornelius and a state Half the size in population of Portland, OR.”

    And yet she still has more executive experience than the entire democratic ticket!!

  11. me says, “Not even her own mother-in-law believes she is qualified.

    The article says, “Faye Palin admitted she enjoys hearing Barack Obama speak, and still hasn’t decided which way she’ll vote.

    Never let facts or accuracy interfere with a leftists claims.

    Vancouver resident, Doug Palin Sr., uncle to Sarah’s husband was recently quoted in the Columbian, ““I like Sarah. I was very impressed with her. The family was very impressed with her. I thought she was really grounded and had good presence. She is attractive and seems to be really sincere. They love her up there.

    Interesting what is said over on a Hillary Clinton Forum too.

    The mother-in-law also dispells another nasty rumor the left is perpetrating in that the baby recently born with Downs Syndrome is actually the 17-year old daughters, not Sarah’s.

  12. Faye Palin also said,

    “I’m not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she’s a woman and a conservative. Well, she’s a better speaker than McCain,” Faye Palin said with a laugh.

  13. The choice of Sarah Palin is proving to be the literal painting of lipstick on the pig McCain. Palin’s red lipstick. The fact that it is being vetted that Conservatives like Palin more than McCain will hurt him.

    This one from Palin’s home state is making it’s rounds.

    Palin has much to prove
    Alaskans can cheer even while wondering

    Friday, August 29, 2008

    Sen. John McCain’s selection of Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate was a stunning decision that should make Alaskans proud, even while we wonder about the actual merits of the choice.
    No Alaskan politician has risen to such national prominence before. The closest was former Gov. Wally Hickel, who President Nixon chose as Interior secretary in 1969. Palin is truly a remarkable figure, a person carried forward to enormous fame by the times and her personal charm and principles.
    Alaskans and Americans must ask, though, whether she should become vice president and, more importantly, be placed first in line to become president.
    When a candidate for president picks a vice presidential running mate, that partner ought to have more qualifications than this: “She’s not from Washington.”
    McCain offered that justification this morning for his decision. There was a lot more, of course, about the governor’s “grit, integrity and devotion to the common good.” But after cataloging her basic decency and compassion for the common man, what was there? “She’s not from Washington.”
    No doubt about it. In fact, as the governor herself acknowledged in her acceptance speech, she never set out to be involved in public affairs. She has never publicly demonstrated the kind of interest, much less expertise, in federal issues and foreign affairs that should mark a candidate for the second-highest office in the land. Republicans rightfully have criticized the Democratic nominee, Sen. Barack Obama, for his lack of experience, but Palin is a neophyte in comparison; how will Republicans reconcile the criticism of Obama with the obligatory cheering for Palin? Or will everyone just be forced to drop the subject? That’s not a comforting possibility. Although no one has the perfect resume and experience isn’t everything, it is an important quality to weigh. Palin, if elected vice president, would ascend to the presidency if anything should happen to McCain, who turned 72 today.
    Most people would acknowledge that, regardless of her charm and good intentions, Palin is not ready for the top job. McCain seems to have put his political interests ahead of the nation’s when he created the possibility that she might fill it.
    It’s clear that McCain picked Palin for reasons of image, not substance. She’s a woman. She has fought corruption. She has fought the oil companies. She’s married to a union member. These are portrayals for campaign speeches; they are not policy positions.
    There was also some pandering right from the start. “I told Congress `Thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere,’ ” Palin reported to the crowd in Dayton, Ohio. “If our state wanted a bridge, I said, we’d build it ourselves.”
    But the state kept the bridge money. That’s because Alaskans pay federal gas taxes and they expect a good share to come back, just like people do in every other state. We build very little by ourselves, and any governor who would turn that tax money down likely would be turned out of office.
    Palin’s image as a fresh reformer works on some level, for the moment. The governor, as she is quite able to do, delivered a good speech in a strong voice. The crowd cheered her enthusiastically, only occasionally fading into the “huh?” mode during the presentation. The televised punditry followed up with mostly positive comments, calling Palin’s selection a clever “chess move” by McCain.
    The chess analogy offers some caution. Gov. Palin, while extending her amazing adventure in politics, must prove she is more than a pawn.

  14. Pathetic attempt, Roger. As usual, the left cuts of the context of what an opponent says.

    Larry Kudlow: All right. You have a legion of fans who want you to become Senator McCain’s vice-presidential candidate. In fact, on the world’s largest pay-to-play prediction market, betting parlor, called InTrade, you are in third place with a 20 percent support probability behind former Governor Romney and present Governor of Minnesota Pawlenty. Is this police flap, state investigation, going to disqualify you from becoming Senator McCain’s vice-presidential candidate?

    Sarah Palin: Well it shouldn’t disqualify me from anything, including progressing the state’s agenda here towards more energy production so we can contribute more to the U.S. Nor should it dissuade any kind of agenda progress in any arena because again, I haven’t done anything wrong. And through an investigation of our lawmakers who are kind of looking at me as a target, we invite those questions so that we can truthfully answer the questions.

    But as for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does everyday? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.


  15. Lew, the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans on the issue of gender is the Dems don’t need to throw up a pander woman candidate to tap the Hillary voters. Obama could have easily did that. He didn’t. He could have easily chosen Kathleen Sebelious of Kansas. He didn’t. Understanding that it isn’t just any woman that Hillary voters wanted. It was Hillary. Obama realized that. Seems Senator McCain’s lack of judgement on why Hillary voters actually supported her escaped McCain. Maybe it is age. He is from a much older generation which might make the case that he is out of touch with woman of today and what moves them. It is interesting looking at McCain’s mindset on things. Cold war mentality, affraid to use a laptop computer, and his view on woman voters, the choice of a VP pick that is a regressive on woman’s issues seems to be just a few to name that shows he just might be the anti-change Over the Hill Candidate.

    PS Talking with my conservative sister in law. She too thinks that the Palin was a pander vote and she will not be voting for McCain.

  16. Abel

    Obama said Thursday night that change doesn’t come “from Washington, it comes TO Washington.”

    Ironically, an interesting introspective remark from this Washington DC insider and coming after McCain had already made the choice of Palin. Maybe the Maverick had exactly that in mind.

    Interesting that the News-Miner editorial of Dermot Cole is making the rounds on the liberal blog. It is equally telling that the overwhelmingly supportive Alaskan email comments on Polin after this editorial are not!

    One of those emails references an apparently popular Alaskan bumper sticker “Alaska Girls Kick A**!”.

    Maybe that is exactly what it will really take to change Washington DC!!

  17. Pete, It somehow seems very doubtful. That is what McSame-iacs want voters to think, but really the Palin choice comes down to poor decision making. Take it from your own fellow independent House Conservative Keith Moore. Alot of conservatives are making the same claims he is.

    On an interesting note, Newsmax did a poll of favored VP choices. Palin came up as near the bottom. with only 3.2% approval.

    • Who should McCain pick as his vice presidential running mate? Pick One:

    • Mitt Romney 45.7 percent
    • Mike Huckabee 12.9 percent
    • Newt Gingrich 9.7 percent
    • Condi Rice 9.4 percent
    • Joe Lieberman 4.7 percent
    • Sarah Palin 3.2 percent

    Really, you can’t paint her however you wish. The fact reamains, McCain’s judgement is seriously in question. Putting a mayor of a town smaller than Corneilies and 1 1/2 year Governor of a state smaller than Portland a heartbeat away from the most powerful job is the universe, has many real thinking conservatives scratching their heads.

  18. Sorry Abel, but polls aren’t the best way to lead.

    Many of us have been pulling for Sarah Palin for some time and she was actually a favored with McCain for some time too.

    Palin Made an Impression From the Start

    If choosing Palin was “pandering” on teh Republicans side, what does tha tsay about the Democrats choosing Obama over Hillary, then a long time Washington insider like Biden?

    Had the Democrat party not bashed Hillary and promoted a totally inexperienced first term junior Senator, who just happens to be half-black, Hillary would have gotten the nomination. After all, she was the odds on favorite over the last few years.

  19. Not sure what your point actually is, Lew??? But lets be clear. Obama was chosen by Democrats. He is their nominee. Like it or not, Hillary Clinton went a long way in supporting Obama. She strongly urged her voters to join his campaign. A large portion seem to be heading are jumping on board

    Palin on the other hand was picked by McCain. Not Republicans, not voters, and she certainly never even placed in any poll as a top pick. Lets be clear about that.

    It matters really little if you are who ever you say “many of us” are, who liked Palin. The fact remains, Palin is the VP choice. Not the nominee. You know, the one vetted by voters. McCain won the votes to become that nominee. Only you are not in favor of his nomination.

    Now, the fact that you are spending so much time attempting to convince us that Palin is the chosen one to lead, gives me alot of pause as to your seriousness. Again, McCain is the nominee, but you don’t support him. He is the top of the ticket. Not Palin. I have never heard of it that block of voters would vote for a VP choice, even though they don’t like the top of the ticket. Unless you have an example, I guess it is history in the making.

    So to be clear, conservatives across the board are questioning McCain’s leadership with the Palin pick. They are your comrades and they are unhappy.

    Now with Biden, there was no doubt that the pick is strategic. Most of them are. But Biden, though you disagree with his policies, is a worthy choice. For the most part, although he has been in the Senate a long time, he is viewed as a Washington outsider. The whole blue collar, living in Delaware, riding the train into D.C. well for voters. Biden is also a formidable candidate to dish it to conservative Obama haters.

    All politics aside. Lew, I must say that this thing doesn’t look good for your side. You, like many others are not even talking about McCain, the Republican Presidential Candidate. McCain right now is suffering under the notion that he is Bush’s baby. Bush III. “McSame”, “McBush”, PO”W” Prisoner of “W”. You know the drill.

    The fact that you can’t say anything good about the top of the ticket and GOP nominee speaks volumes. In the end, the American people won’t be voting for the VP, they will be voting for McCain or Obama. Republicans are going to have to do a better job at selling McCain as being independent of Bush and spend less time on Palin as the savior.

  20. …she was actually a favored with McCain for some time too

    Lew, interestingly enough, you might have known who she was, but many didn’t including McCain himself. Here is what one editorial had to say:

    “Chuck Todd, John McCain had only met Sarah Palin once or twice before selecting her to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

    Also, earlier today McCain’s campaign chairman Sen. Lindsay Graham admitted that he had never met Palin, and Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison also said that she didn’t know much about Palin.”

    Here is a video report. Sadly for Republicans, pundits, including independent conservatives like Michael Savage are calling into question McCain’s decision making and seriousness.

  21. Sorry, ABel, doesn’t wash. Who cares what “editorials” says compares to the person?

    From Fox News Sunday today

    WALLACE: You talked to her on the phone last Sunday. And you met with her face to face — face to face for the first time to discuss the vice presidential ticket Thursday morning, and then you offered her the job. Must have been a heck of a meeting?
    MCCAIN: Well, the fact is, I’ve been watching her. I mean, look, what she has been doing in Alaska, let’s have some straight talk, has affected the representation in Washington, D.C. We’ve fought against, frankly, the same adversaries, the same challenges.

    As for Obama being “chosen” by the people, P.U.M.A. disagrees.

    Sorry Abel, maybe you use too much wacky tobacky, but I am not saying she is to be the “leader.” It is your side continually claiming she is too inexperienced to be in the second seat, in case something happened to McCain, but you excuse Obama being in the first seat with even less executive experience.

    Yes, some are questioning his choice, happens all the time in politics. But I feel you will see far more supporting her choice. McCain received the bump this weekend that Obama should have gotten after the Dems convention. Donations to McCain have totaled some 4 million this weekend after announcing her.

    I am far from the only one ecstatic about his choice.

    Nice try, though. Better luck next time.

  22. Fair enough, Pete. However, the more details I gather about this (via New York Times, Ancourage Daily News, Wikipedia, etc), the more it is proven that Palin engineered a scheme by which taxpayers fork over $500 million for something the state could have gotten for free with additional perks. TransCanada doesn’t have leases to the gas fields; the oil companies do. TransCanada doesn’t have the existing right-of-way agreements; the oil companies do. TransCanada isn’t including a $5 billion gas production facility in their estimate; the oil companies are. With each detail I gather, the picture of a fiscally-unwise governor becomes clearer. How does one honestly defend seeking to pay $500 million to fund a project when the possibility existed to get more than the same thing from a source that had already taken care of some of the costs by default?

    I’m still searching for Palin’s rational justification for the alternative she got behind. The nearest thing I’ve found is that TransCanada offered guarentees of price and schedule for when they finish the pipeline. Not a very good reason, especially since TransCanada will be forced to incur additional costs by virtue of not having what the oil companies have, not to mention (and I feel the need to emphasize this) they’re costing the taxpayers $500 million to do the same work.

  23. Its Interesting that some of the Liberal-Tarian Ron Paul loving Blog Trolls get there News from Leftist Alaskan COD-WRAPPERS and or the DNC’S Opposition Research Team.

    PS: VP Sarah Palin Threw alot of un-elected Bureaucrats out of there cozy 9-5 job and I’m sure she’ll continue the trend in Washington Socialist D.C.

    VP Sarah Palin YOU GO GIRL

  24. And it seems equally clear that certain pseudoconservative psuedointelligent blog trolls don’t know how to express an opinion without ignorant ranting. I’ll have you know that my information comes from a man who’s worked in and as a part of the oil industry for longer than either of us have been alive. Don’t go out on a limb if you’re planning on sawing it off, fool.

  25. abel johnson said: Take it from your own fellow independent Liberal-Tarian House Virus. Alot of conservatives are making the same claims he is.

    jack said: Hardly abel not one “Real” conservative on this blog is against VP Sarah Palin and we don’t rely on your Liberal Media or the DNC’S OPPOSITION RESEARCH team to get our News or facts. Real Conservatives don’t spew out Liberal Talking points or praise American Communists daily.

    PS: If this was my blog I would be running a Virus Scan quite often For House Virus’s and use the Quarantine Folder continually.

  26. Here are those family values. See, Palin should have had her daughter listen to Planned Parenthood. At least if she was gonna DO IT, she would have been encouraged to take the proper precausions. Well, Palin is definately becoming known by voters–just not in a so good way though. Spin away Jack & Lew.

    So how many babies does Trophy VP Palin’s daughter Bristol have now. Two? Or is it more?

    Teen daughter of GOP VP pick is pregnant


    ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) — Bristol Palin, the 17-year-old daughter of Sarah Palin, is pregnant and will keep the baby and marry the father, a senior aide to Sen. John McCain confirmed to CNN Tuesday.

  27. Golly gee whiz, roger, a conservatives family isn’t as perfect as you liberals.

    I guess that only happens to repressed conservatives?

    Give me a break.

    Tells us, exactly what was Chelsea doing at 17?

  28. We are not really talking about Chelsea or the Clinton are we, Oil Can Lew? Seems Grampy McSame has nothing to offer, that you Cons need to talk about Palin the Corrupter all the time. Now her teenage daughter got knocked up more than five months ago and she fails to bring it up until questions surfaced that she looked a little prego. Yeah, Palin is ready to run the country. She can’t even control her own family. Try again Old Man, we ain’t buying it. Good to see old Keith actually has the guts to admit that Palin is a mistake to Grampy McSame’s faux conservatism.

  29. Sarah Palin the Secessionist?

    Here is some good foreign relations experience. Apparently, Governor Sarah Palin is a big proponent of Alaska Independence Party what do they support? Have a look:

    The Alaskan Independence Party’s goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
    1) Remain a Territory.
    2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
    3) Accept Commonwealth status.
    4) Become a State.

    Palin is proving to be the gift that keeps on giving. SPIN AWAY MR. LEW

  30. Abel said

    “Pete, It somehow seems very doubtful. That is what McSame-iacs want voters to think, but really the Palin choice comes down to poor decision making.”

    Abel, It is interesting you would question MCCain’s choice of Palin, but remain silent on Obama’s great lack of judgement in spending 20 years with his self described mentor whose divisive, racist, and unpatriotic remarks Obama only publically denounced when he had too, to preserve his flagging campaign hopes.

    And what of Obama’s judgement of in relying on the political support of the Ayers/Dohrn team (widely known unrepentent to this day over their violent weather underground activities) to launch his political career.

    Abel, I take exception to your comment, “Really, you can’t paint her however you wish.”

    Last time I checked this is still a free country and I can speak my mind. I left home long ago and I don’t need another father. I take your paternalistic attitude simply as an extension of your misguided elitist political beleifs.

    I also find the wording of your earlier post quizzical; “The choice of Sarah Palin is proving to be the literal painting of lipstick on the pig McCain. Palin’s red lipstick.”, bordering on sexist, which I am sure in this age of enlightenment wasn’t your intent.

    You went on to say, “The fact remains, McCain’s judgement is seriously in question. Putting a mayor of a town smaller than Corneilies and 1 1/2 year Governor of a state smaller than Portland a heartbeat away from the most powerful job is the universe, has many real thinking conservatives scratching their heads.”

    Some conservatives may question this choice. You specifically mentioned, Keith, who certainly has that right and is, I think, more than capable of speaking on his own behalf to that point.

    I personally have some reservations about the McCain candidacy, but not about this choice which I find refreshing. She seems to have impeccable character, a reformist bent, experience and knowledge of the energy industry, and executive experience that is sorely lacking in the Democratic team.

    Is this choice risky, perhaps. The next 60 days will tell. Is McCain’s choice acceptible to everyone. Certainly not. However, given the erasure of the post convention jump in Obama’s polling numbers, given the surge in McCain campaign donations over the weekend, given the chaotic frenzy and absurd accusations off of some of the liberal blogs, the choice is looking good so far!!

  31. Nice try, Abel

    Did you actually listen to her welcoming speech on the video? See the Alaska State Constitution (link below), which was:

    Adopted by the Constitutional Convention February 5, 1956
    Ratified by the People of Alaska April 24, 1956
    Became Operative with the Formal Proclamation of Statehood January 3, 1959

  32. I might also add, Pete, that while you don’t agree with my premise or criticisms, you can at least understand my contention and I’m deliberately avoiding ad hominem attacks like talking about the lady’s daughter. My problems with Sarah Palin are policies, not personal. I regard her as a foolish choice from a candidate who I have no use for except as an alternative to Obama. I see moderate-to-liberal tax policies, a business-as-usual perspective on government spending, social conservatism (albeit not traditional social conservatism), and at least some basic inclination to fight for a dead Constitution. I feel that the last thing we need in office is a VP who speaks of “Big Oil” in the way that a liberal does (right before dropping the taxation or regulation hammer) when we’re facing energy troubles. I feel that we don’t need a VP who, confronted with a choice between an essentially free piece of vital infrastructure (with perks) and paying $500 million for the same piece of infrastructure, chooses to throw away people’s money.

    Remember, even an extraordinarily healthy and vigorous Ronald Reagan had to have a cancerous growth removed from his intestines while a president, not to mention the John Hinckley assassination attempt. As a letter to the editor today pointed out, McCain has a family history of heart problems and has had several brushes with cancer. I sincerely doubt that he’s going to keel over and die in office but with any president, one has to confront the possibility that the unthinkable will happen and their VP will suddenly assume the presidency. On that count, Obama has an advantage. If he drops dead the day after being sworn in, a 35-year veteran of the Senate will be the president. If McCain drops dead the day after being sworn in, the 1.5-year governor of one of the least populous states will be sworn in. And frankly, I trust her on energy issues as far as I can throw her. Granted, she doesn’t exactly look like a heavy person but still…

    Anyway, as Pete has pointed out (kudos and thanks, Pete!), I am quite capable of speaking for myself.

  33. Actually Pete, it seems you just want to ignore the whole thing. That is ok, but the reality is, she fronted for a secessionist group and that will not set well with Americans. American’s value to the U.S. Constitution and the Union. Those that seek to divide this country should probably not be in charge of it, don’t you think? Surely had Obama or Biden been members of such a group, you folks would be all over it. Governor Palin definately has some questions to answer.

    Here is a great article that examines Palin’s involvement in the AIP:

    Palin And The Alaska Independence Party
    The Alaska Independence Party calls itself the third largest organization in the United States. Its platform calls for the defense of “states rights,” to “seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution.”

    Basically, the AIP wants a vote on secession. According to the organizations’ website. “[T]hough it is widely thought to be a secessionist movement, the Party makes great effort to emphasize that its primary goal is merely a vote on secession, something that Party advocates say Alaskans were denied during the founding of the state.”

    The AIP says that Gov. Sarah Palin used to be a member of the party. Earlier this year, Palin recorded a welcoming address to the AIP’s convention.


    Her greeting is innocuous enough. And an Alaskan political consultant tells me that the AIP is a marginally accepted part of the political culture there.


    At the AIP’s meeting, the AIP’s vice chairman, Dexter Carter, extols Gov. Palin’s virtues. He recalls Palin’s service as a member of the party at about six minutes in to this clip.

    Mr, Carter says that AIP members must “infiltrate” — his words — the other two parties and push for the cause of Alaskan independence.


    A McCain spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.

  34. Abel –

    “Her greeting is innocuous enough.”

    Interesting choice of words, innocuous enough, as a welcoming ceremony should be. However, in your earlier post you suggest Sarah Palin was a Secessionist. You seem intent on ignoring her comments in the welcoming speech, so lets post a couple of them for you.

    In her innocuous welcoming speech she stated “share your parties vision upholding the Constitution of our great State.”

    She went on to say, that you are “inspired by remembering all those years ago in this same city, Alaska’s Constitution was born.”

    She ended up by stating “as we continue to move our State ahead to create positive change”

    Hardly the words of a Secessionist. Especially, given that the Constitution became Operative with the Formal Proclamation of Statehood, January 3, 1959.

    And maybe we should check on timing, Abel. Let’s see, since Palin is 44 yrs old, she was born in 1964, some 8 yrs after you suggest that the ONE choice from among four alternatives was considered by Alaskan Independence Party’s in 1958.

    Grasping! Pathetically weak!

    But since you are so consumed by making a case of guilt by association, let’s recall an easier example for you — that of the 20 yr relationship between Obama and his self described mentor, Reverend Wright, whose comments have been divisive, racist, and unpatriotic.

    As I recall, your hero, Obama, was alive and well sitting in those pews intently listening,

    “Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”

    And let’s see, I think Obama was roughly 40 yrs old at the time they met, and old enough to know better!

  35. Keith

    “I might also add, Pete, that while you don’t agree with my premise or criticisms, you can at least understand my contention and I’m deliberately avoiding ad hominem attacks like talking about the lady’s daughter. My problems with Sarah Palin are policies, not personal.”

    I think I understood that and don’t think I posted anything that suggested otherwise, but if I did so I apologize.

    I feel that the last thing we need in office is a VP who speaks of “Big Oil” in the way that a liberal does (right before dropping the taxation or regulation hammer) when we’re facing energy troubles.

    She does have somewhat of a populist bent and I understand and to an extent share your concerns expressed above. But I also think she is far more rational than any of the other three participants on the national tickets in her approach to energy and the energy problems this nation faces.

    We may have a disagreement over the $500 million, but I think it is simply a disagreement of interpretation. I certainly would rather have government stay out of the pipeline and have the oil companies fund the investment, but as I understand it at this point I think they ultimately will anyway, albeit over a series of tax payments spanning into the future. I guess we simply disagree on that interpretation and the approach at this point.

  36. Yes we do. I think we also understand it differently; I understand it as a perplexing preference for paying TransCanada $500 million to do the same job when TC lacks many of the advantages the oil companies bring to the table and doesn’t include the $5 billion processing facility (as far as I’ve been able to determine). I’m still looking, though, to find out what Palin’s rational is.

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