Category Archives: Plastic Bag Ban

California’s plastic bag ban & fee heads to Gov Brown; pro choice backers react

The Democrats’ plastic bag ban deprives you of choice and charges you for the free bag they haven’t banned–yet.

plasticbagimages_thumb_180x160 First the bag banners said bags were killing marine life by the hundreds of thousands. When that proved untrue, the bag banners pivoted to ‘garbage island’ that churned with plastic bags in a gyre “twice the size of Texas” just off “the Oregon coast.” When we busted them for lying, they came back with new nomenclature. They were no longer merely plastic bags, they were ‘single use‘ plastic bags which MUST BE STOPPED! When people examined their lives and determined that can’t be right, I use those bags to pick up Skipper’s poop from the yard or on our walks, they pivoted to another whopper: there are drifts of evil, single use, plastic bags EVERYwhere.

Except not.

For example, when I asked listeners to KOGO Radio to call me with a litter report, a bicyclist said he’d been keeping track of litter on the side of the road. His report? Drink containers outnumbered bags at least four to one. This kind of result happens all the time. Do your own survey and you’ll discover this is just puffed up claim to sell the ban. Another ‘look over there’ move to decoy you into thinking something important is going on here. And it’s not.

If drink containers (in Oregon it was fast food bags) outnumber plastic bags Screen Shot 2014-08-31 at 11.35.58 PMon the sides of the roads and in parks, why aren’t these elected geniuses banning that stuff? Because you’d get really po’d at them, that’s why. You might actually show up to vote and turn them out.  It’s a power grab to reduce your choices, it’s a low risk bill that, to some, looks like something but is no more substantial than the bag they’re trying to ban.

I’ve written endlessly about this issue here, here, here, here ad nauseum. Been there, done that. Now you will too, California.  Unless you stop them.

Here’s the reaction to the passage of the Assembly Bill by the pro choice folks at the American Progressive Bag Alliance:

The American Progressive Bag Alliance (APBA) issued the following statement from Executive Director Lee Califf after the California State Assembly voted 44-29 to advance Senator Alex Padilla’s statewide plastic bag ban, SB 270, which now moves to the State Senate floor for a concurrence vote.

“It’s disappointing that members of the Assembly voted to advance a bill that threatens 2,000 California manufacturing jobs, hurts consumers and puts billions of dollars into the pockets of grocers – without providing any benefit to the environment.

We hope the members of the State Senate exercise better judgment by supporting California jobs and working families and voting down this terrible bill.”

Worse & Worser: California’s plastic bag ban bill

How one California State Senator should have quit while he was behind. Vote expected Thursday.

plasticbagimages_thumb_180x160 The idea, Senator Alex Padilla thought, was to outlaw plastic bags altogether. Banning plastic bags was a winning issue! Everybody was doing it: San Francisco! Portland! Laguna Beach! Seattle! LA! The biggest brains and brightest lights were backing a bag ban.

It was supported by air tight logic. Plastic is evil–everybody knows that. Those bags are like ebola to marine life. Entire schools of fish and collections of cetaceans dine out at garbage island and–BOOM!–they’re dead within days. If they can ever actually find garbage island, the Health Department will give it an “F” rating,  just you wait.

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After researchers found no garbage island, activists went out and found one. Note the size of the raft next to it. Note, too, plastic fishing line, but no plastic bags.

But those bags are a menace on land, too. Those light weight ‘T’ shaped-bags are collecting like snow drifts along California curbs! In fact, at this moment, there could be a sea turtle who emerged from the water spill who passes his days munching bags on Sunset Boulevard.

Bag banners conjured this image to sell idea sea mammals eat plastic bags, a claim which has been debunked.
Bag banners conjured this image to sell idea sea mammals eat plastic bags, a claim which has been debunked.

These bags are such a menace they end up in land fills. Who do we think we are using bags made out of captured-off-gas to hold our groceries? What kind of monsters are we when we recycle them at the store or reuse them to pick up dog poop or line our trash cans? And, more horrifically, how dare we take that reused bag and  THEN THROW IT AWAY where bags make up an infinitesimal (0.40%) space in land fills! 

Plastic bags aren’t even really ‘plastic’ as we traditionally know it. Bag banners wish to extinguish the light weight “T-shirt” bags made from ethane gas. The ethane gas is ordinarily emitted into the atmosphere while processing natural gas, but, in the US, bag manufacturers capture it and make the bags. Put another way, a greenhouse gas is stopped from polluting the atmosphere and made into something useful.  

The environmentalists are against that. (Call 1-800-Whip-Lash if you suffer injury due to that pretzel logic.) But there’s more bad news for the plastic-bags-are-evil crowd! There is no bag-filled garbage island, no plastic bag induced fish die offs and no snow drifts of plastic bags. 

But that doesn’t mean this issue isn’t a winner for State Senator Padilla. Voters don’t seem to know the facts. And the media? They’re eating up the battle! Grocery stores versus plastic bag manufacturers! BOOM! Grocery stores against poor people! BAM! Scribes scrum! Cameras hum! Microphones are slung! All eyes on him!

In fact, Alex Padilla is so devoted to the idea of banning bags, alterations to his bill are getting more absurd.  He first set out to appease the spotted -owl-global-cooling-warming-chaos-climatephobia scare mongers. He proclaimed the proposed statewide plastic bag ban a ‘compromise.’

Now let’s be honest. Accepting the dodgy “facts” of the people behind provably false claims, writing a bill based on them and claiming it’s a compromise is a little like bidding against yourself at an auction or like government collective bargaining. 

So Padilla appealed to common sense. You know, the kind employed by 12 year olds. It goes something like this: Oh, c’mon, Mom, everybody’s doing it! The state senate analog is since 90 + cities in California have a plastic bag ban, the state should naturally follow along, providing a common, streamlined, predictable law for the entire state. Which might make sense if the ban had been built on, you know, facts…and stuff.

When Padilla got blow back from the bag manufacturers for killing plastic bag jobs, he tried to pay off manufacturers by allowing them to apply for “grants” (read: cash giveaways) to make politically correct bags. Seeding needed changes in manufacturing with enticements by government money giveaways might make sense if the ban had been based on, you know, facts…and stuff.

When he got blow back for proposing a new fee on paper bags and forcing people to buy more expensive reusable bags (usually built in China–helllllloooo, carbon footprint anyone?) he changed his bill again, giving poor people an exemption. Which would make sense, I guess, if the bill had been a moral imperative built on, you know, facts…and stuff.

Each time the state-senator-turned-candidate-for-secretary-of-state has changed his bill, he has outed it as an expensive, unnecessary fraud, based on nothing but the airy fairy, hoped-for-verisimilitudes which might make sense if it had been built on, you know, facts…and stuff.

But it’s not. California lawmakers should say ‘no’ because at least a ‘no’ vote is built on, you know, facts…and stuff.

Is This a Newly Forming Plastic Lie About "Plastic" Bags?

Troll-meister and “Man Made Global Warmist” DA sent this story to me looking for an ‘A ha!’ moment. He then questioned whether I cared about God’s creatures. I can only assume there were some tears involved. 
Now look at this headline and then read the story. No mention of plastic bags. Wishful thinking by some headline writer at the AP? There are thousands of hits on this one three paragraph story by the AP which says NOTHING about plastic bags. On Friday afternoon three of us tried to find the derivation of the story. The original story, the original data, the original work about the necropsy were not found. We just found thousands of hits on newspaper sites referring to this one three ‘graf story. 
We found a different headline in Puerto Rico, however. Did you know they call ethylene bags “scandal bags?” Very interesting. Yes, I’m sure there’s no bias here.

Associated Press

Whale death off Puerto Rico blamed on plastic bags

Associated Press May 6, 2011 12:27 PM Copyright Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Friday, May 6, 2011

Was it plastic bags? 

Nilda Jimenez says that she conducted a necropsy of the Gervais beaked whale and found more than 10 pounds (4.5 kilos) of twisted plastic inside its stomach. The marine mammal specialist said Friday she has no doubt the plastic caused the death by preventing the whale from getting adequate nutrition.

The biologist from the Commonwealth Department of Natural and Environmental Resource–which is what she does for her day job– never says “bags” she just says “twisted plastic.” 
This poor adolescent whale died from something. She says it was malnourished and blamed “twisted plastic.” Here’s what Greenpeace says about the wrongheaded claims about plastic bags killing mammals:

David Santillo, a marine biologist at Greenpeace, told The[London] Times that bad science was undermining the Government’s case for banning the bags. “It’s very unlikely that many animals are killed by plastic bags,” he said. “The evidence shows just the opposite. We are not going to solve the problem of waste by focusing on plastic bags.

“It doesn’t do the Government’s case any favours if you’ve got statements being made that aren’t supported by the scientific literature that’s out there. With larger mammals it’s fishing gear that’s the big problem. On a global basis plastic bags aren’t an issue. It would be great if statements like these weren’t made.”


Where did this twisted plastic come from? Cruise ships? Fishing line? Nets? No idea. But it appears the AP concludes it’s caused by “bags” though the word appears nowhere in the story. 

Why am I skeptical? Oh, I dunno. They never lie about this plastic bag stuff to further their desire to ban them and tax paper bags or anything. I must have been imagining this, this, this, this among other untruths about this issue. And you know the folks in Salem will use this incomplete story to try to rescue their “plastic” bag ban  and bag tax out of committee.  


And I’m sure that the Polti’fact’ people will want to fact check this AP article right away. Oh, wait… What’s the point? They keep getting it wrong anyway. 
5th Listener Ted has a theory on this:

Victoria,
CLEARLY, that whale ATE the swirling mass of bags and that’s what killed it. THAT’S why no one could find the bags swirling in the ocean anymore…..
Ted
Tell ’em where you saw it. Http://www.victoriataft.com

Is This a Newly Forming Plastic Lie About "Plastic" Bags?

Troll-meister and “Man Made Global Warmist” DA sent this story to me looking for an ‘A ha!’ moment. He then questioned whether I cared about God’s creatures. I can only assume there were some tears involved. 
Now look at this headline and then read the story. No mention of plastic bags. Wishful thinking by some headline writer at the AP? There are thousands of hits on this one three paragraph story by the AP which says NOTHING about plastic bags. On Friday afternoon three of us tried to find the derivation of the story. The original story, the original data, the original work about the necropsy were not found. We just found thousands of hits on newspaper sites referring to this one three ‘graf story. 
We found a different headline in Puerto Rico, however. Did you know they call ethylene bags “scandal bags?” Very interesting. Yes, I’m sure there’s no bias here.

Associated Press

Whale death off Puerto Rico blamed on plastic bags

Associated Press May 6, 2011 12:27 PM Copyright Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Friday, May 6, 2011

Was it plastic bags? 

Nilda Jimenez says that she conducted a necropsy of the Gervais beaked whale and found more than 10 pounds (4.5 kilos) of twisted plastic inside its stomach. The marine mammal specialist said Friday she has no doubt the plastic caused the death by preventing the whale from getting adequate nutrition.

The biologist from the Commonwealth Department of Natural and Environmental Resource–which is what she does for her day job– never says “bags” she just says “twisted plastic.” 
This poor adolescent whale died from something. She says it was malnourished and blamed “twisted plastic.” Here’s what Greenpeace says about the wrongheaded claims about plastic bags killing mammals:

David Santillo, a marine biologist at Greenpeace, told The[London] Times that bad science was undermining the Government’s case for banning the bags. “It’s very unlikely that many animals are killed by plastic bags,” he said. “The evidence shows just the opposite. We are not going to solve the problem of waste by focusing on plastic bags.

“It doesn’t do the Government’s case any favours if you’ve got statements being made that aren’t supported by the scientific literature that’s out there. With larger mammals it’s fishing gear that’s the big problem. On a global basis plastic bags aren’t an issue. It would be great if statements like these weren’t made.”


Where did this twisted plastic come from? Cruise ships? Fishing line? Nets? No idea. But it appears the AP concludes it’s caused by “bags” though the word appears nowhere in the story. 

Why am I skeptical? Oh, I dunno. They never lie about this plastic bag stuff to further their desire to ban them and tax paper bags or anything. I must have been imagining this, this, this, this among other untruths about this issue. And you know the folks in Salem will use this incomplete story to try to rescue their “plastic” bag ban  and bag tax out of committee.  


And I’m sure that the Polti’fact’ people will want to fact check this AP article right away. Oh, wait… What’s the point? They keep getting it wrong anyway. 
5th Listener Ted has a theory on this:

Victoria,
CLEARLY, that whale ATE the swirling mass of bags and that’s what killed it. THAT’S why no one could find the bags swirling in the ocean anymore…..
Ted
Tell ’em where you saw it. Http://www.victoriataft.com

UPDATED WITH LAUGHER!!!! *****Light Rail Backers Claim Clackamas Co Clamoring for Higher Car Taxes!

…But they won’t tell you how they know that. The Clackamas Review reports that “55%” of Clackamas voters think this car tax to supposedly finance improvements to the Sellwood Bridge (and to free up Portland’s money for light rail to Clackamas which I imagine this same “poll” found “support” for…) is a fabulous idea! What a surprise! These poll results, of course, are entirely different than the one 

commissioned by opponents of the plan. See it nearby. 
So what question could possibly have elicited the 55% in favor response rate? UPDATE BELOW

The group which commissioned the poll is, as we reported here, bought and paid for by mostly  groups outside Clackamas County, including public employee unions and engineering firms which would stand to make a buck off the deal. They claim the Lisa Grove poll is legit, but they won’t tell us the question they asked to elicit that never- before-seen 55% approval rate:

Chris Edmonds, political director for the campaign to pass the fee, said that details about specific questions that were asked are proprietary information and not subject to public scrutiny. 

And I know why. The last time I got a look at a Lisa Grove poll question I wrote several blog pieces, talked incessantly about it on my program and wrote an op ed for the Zero. Nothing about the question was accurate. This debunked poll has served as the imprimatur for the pro “plastic” bag banners to institute their draconian ban on one of most ubiquitous and useful devices ever devised. Here’s the question she wrote as discussed here and here and here. Inaccuracies or outright lies are highlighted:

Single-use petroleum-based plastic shopping bags pollute our land, contribute to a swirling mass of garbage twice the size of Texas off Oregon’s coast, and continue our dependence on dangerous foreign oil supplies. Making paper shopping bags is a toxic process that pollutes our rivers. To encourage more use of reusable shopping bags, do you favor or oppose banning plastic bags in the City of Portland and requiring a 5-cent fee on paper bags?”

This question gives push polling a bad name. No wonder the pro-car-tax crowd wants to keep their latest Lisa Grove poll question under wraps. 

Musing on another question with respect to Grove Insight, it does make you appreciate just how bad David Wu was to make her quit his campaign. 

Grove isn’t answering any questions from us about her methodology but an alert 5th listener went to her website and found out that she actually ADVERTISES slanted poll questions:

Innovative Research Methods
Creating a persuasive message starts with an in-depth understanding of the people you’re trying to talk to – and Grove Insight can help you speak their language. We’ll help identify your audience, define the element that makes your message unique, and connect it in a meaningful way with the people you need to reach. 
Get the Win
We win because we have a wealth of experience asking the right questions, the right way.

Tell ’em where you saw it. Http://www.victoriataft.com

UPDATED WITH LAUGHER!!!! *****Light Rail Backers Claim Clackamas Co Clamoring for Higher Car Taxes!

…But they won’t tell you how they know that. The Clackamas Review reports that “55%” of Clackamas voters think this car tax to supposedly finance improvements to the Sellwood Bridge (and to free up Portland’s money for light rail to Clackamas which I imagine this same “poll” found “support” for…) is a fabulous idea! What a surprise! These poll results, of course, are entirely different than the one 

commissioned by opponents of the plan. See it nearby. 
So what question could possibly have elicited the 55% in favor response rate? UPDATE BELOW

The group which commissioned the poll is, as we reported here, bought and paid for by mostly  groups outside Clackamas County, including public employee unions and engineering firms which would stand to make a buck off the deal. They claim the Lisa Grove poll is legit, but they won’t tell us the question they asked to elicit that never- before-seen 55% approval rate:

Chris Edmonds, political director for the campaign to pass the fee, said that details about specific questions that were asked are proprietary information and not subject to public scrutiny. 

And I know why. The last time I got a look at a Lisa Grove poll question I wrote several blog pieces, talked incessantly about it on my program and wrote an op ed for the Zero. Nothing about the question was accurate. This debunked poll has served as the imprimatur for the pro “plastic” bag banners to institute their draconian ban on one of most ubiquitous and useful devices ever devised. Here’s the question she wrote as discussed here and here and here. Inaccuracies or outright lies are highlighted:

Single-use petroleum-based plastic shopping bags pollute our land, contribute to a swirling mass of garbage twice the size of Texas off Oregon’s coast, and continue our dependence on dangerous foreign oil supplies. Making paper shopping bags is a toxic process that pollutes our rivers. To encourage more use of reusable shopping bags, do you favor or oppose banning plastic bags in the City of Portland and requiring a 5-cent fee on paper bags?”

This question gives push polling a bad name. No wonder the pro-car-tax crowd wants to keep their latest Lisa Grove poll question under wraps. 

Musing on another question with respect to Grove Insight, it does make you appreciate just how bad David Wu was to make her quit his campaign. 

Grove isn’t answering any questions from us about her methodology but an alert 5th listener went to her website and found out that she actually ADVERTISES slanted poll questions:

Innovative Research Methods
Creating a persuasive message starts with an in-depth understanding of the people you’re trying to talk to – and Grove Insight can help you speak their language. We’ll help identify your audience, define the element that makes your message unique, and connect it in a meaningful way with the people you need to reach. 
Get the Win
We win because we have a wealth of experience asking the right questions, the right way.

Tell ’em where you saw it. Http://www.victoriataft.com