Just Another Day With Portland’s Professional Protesters *Flag Defecation; Video of Burning Soldier in Effigy

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Where’s Portland’s Apology to the Troops? Where’s Portland’s Apology to the Nation? Where’s Portland’s Apology to Schumachers? Contact Mayor Tom Potter here.
Turns out what they were doing last weekend WAS ILLEGAL.
Portland ordinance:
20.12.030 Unlawful Urination or Defecation.

No person shall urinate or defecate in any park except in a convenience station designed for that purpose; or blow, spread, or place any nasal or other bodily discharge; or spit, urinate, or defecate on the floors, walls, partitions, furniture, fittings, or on any portion of any public convenience station or in any place in such station, excepting directly into the particular fixture provided for that purpose; or place any bottle, can, cloth, rag, or metal, wood, or stone substance in any of the plumbing fixtures in any such station.



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86 thoughts on “Just Another Day With Portland’s Professional Protesters *Flag Defecation; Video of Burning Soldier in Effigy

  1. These hateful Democrats

    Build a bonfire
    Build a bonfire
    Put the soldiers on the top.
    Put the fascists in the middle,
    And, we’ll burn the f**king lot.”

  2. Interesting Video Lew: I wonder if the Democrat woman was arrested.

    Ps Here in the past 2 weeks I’ve been thinking about upgrading my Digital Camara’s and Digital Video Camara’s.

  3. FoxNews channels Neil Cavuto just showed this video at 1:30pm.

    Interesting segment, check it out later on http://www.foxnews.com.

    Yea “How to raise an American”
    Sounds like a good book to read.
    Kids are so indoctrinated by the media,
    public schools, most rock music these days,that they end up hating America, and acting like these _ _ -_ _ _.

  4. I was wondering if that defecation photo was going to show up. Seems like there was a few smiling faces there.
    Is this Guy in jail I hope?

    And where’s the Video of this?

  5. I don’t know. When I heard about it a week ago and discussed it on the show I figured it would be just a matter of time before the picture showed up. It has. I’ve been scanning indy media but hadn’t seen it. Til now off the http://www.Drudgereport.com.
    Lew, Thanks for the spitting video too. These people can’t control themselves.

  6. Victoria, as long as by “these people” you mean the people specifically committing these vile and repugnant acts, that’s fine. If, however, you’re generalizing all liberals and Democrats (as Klaturd does) as being fine with that sort of behavior, then I have a major problem. I don’t know what kind of Democrats or liberals you deal with or speak to on a regular basis, but of my friends and co-workers who are liberal, NONE of us feel that the behavior used as an example of “the left” is acceptable or representative of the great, far reaching majority of our political mindset and philosophy.

    That behavior is disgusting, and I’d say 99% of “the left” would feel the same.

    That said, and while I understand that sweeping this sort of thing under the rug avoids some of the bigger issues, giving these clowns all this attention after the fact is, I think, exactly what they want. You give them press, they feel legitimized, and they continue. I think we ought to ignore them and let them go away.

  7. If the local liberals do not wish to be painted with the same brush then they should disassociate themselves from those whose behavior is disgusting.

  8. iknowhowtospell said…
    “I don’t know what kind of Democrats or liberals you deal with or speak to on a regular basis, but of my friends and co-workers who are liberal, NONE of us feel that the behavior used as an example of “the left” is acceptable or representative of the great, far reaching majority of our political mindset and philosophy.”

    But this is exactly the crowd that your Dem politicians pandered to last year, and are now taking heat from for not living up the promises they made.

  9. I think Tromatic is right. These are the same people who said they’d bought and paid for the democrat party…these are the people who–like it or not–speak for you. It’s sad. Why did you guys let it happen?

  10. Don’t blame me, I voted Republican!

    Moveon.org, Democratic Underground, DailyKOS, all are filled with these moonbats and like it or not, they speak for the Democrat party now.

    They are the ones who pressured the Nevada Democrats to pull out of a debate scheduled in Nevada because it was being hosted by Foxnews. Hello!!! It was a debate between only Democrats!

  11. Vile disrespect of our soldiers or burning of the flag; raping and murdering Iraqi innocents. Same thing, yet who’s getting all the attention around here? You folk are the same fringe that proclaim a Christ-like attitude subscribing to the notion “hate the sin, not the sinner,” and then turn around and demand that one can’t support the troops if you are against this current occupation.

    If you were honest, you’d acknowledge that it was a small group performing these vile acts and in no way represent the views or values of a majority group or viewpoint. Am I talking about the antics of protesters, or the atrocities done by some of our soldiers? Both of course. And klatu, my friend, you might as well have be the individual in the picture craping on the flag – you do the same thing with every post you make here.

    When are slash and burn, divide and conquer, angry ignorant people like you going to realize that maybe you’re not hearing much about this fringe anarchist crap is because the less attention it receives, the more the message is diminished. You should feel proud being their biggest promoters I guess…

  12. raping and murdering Iraqi innocents.

    The extremely small number that have committed crimes as that are on trial or already convicted. In the case of the far leftist vile disregard for the Troops, even the Myor won’t denounce their acts, but says they have “freedom of speech.”

    Leftists here all but make excuses for them as well and throw up smoke screens trying to paint others as worse, instead of just condemning the acts of what the left says is just a few.

  13. Where’s the smoke screen? Who’s excusing them? If what they have done is beyond the bounds of free speech, than what crime should they be convicted of?

  14. Intersting what some of the callers have said tonight. I’m moving up my estimate for the date of gunfire in our streets between left, right and police.

  15. Oreily just showed most of the effigy burning video at the
    start of his show. The Audio is pretty powerful. Doesn’t sound peaceful to me.

    Ps Scaning CNN nope-no video

    Scaning MsLSD Nope no video

    SCANING the DNC website -No Video

    SCANNING NBC ABS CBS – NO VIDEO

    liberal comedy central ?
    David Letterman ?
    Leno ?
    Obrian ?

    Sounds like its time to put that Flag burning Law into the Constitution.

  16. That jerk must have really believed his mommy when she praised him for not pooping on the floor but going in the potty like al big boy. Now he thinks the flag is a toilet… and spoiled brats like the jerks applauding him are saying, “Yay! Big boy go poo-poo!” That’s about the depth of their mentality.

  17. By the way, we’re talking about a fraction of a percent that raped Iraqis. Unfortunately, the military is made up of Americans and until we ban liberals from serving, these things will happen. Abuse at Abu Ghraib wasn’t exactly committed by right wing conservative Christians after all.

  18. PS…sorry for the repeat posts… I thought I’d mention that you might come across a photo series of some soldiers raping an Iraqi woman as proof of U.S. soldier atrocities. That series is a fraud. I Googled Iraqis (I think it was) and came across the sickening pictures. Those uniforms aren’t even current DCUs. An Army wife friend of mine (both our husbands served in Iraq) told me it was actually a German porn group that bought old GI uniforms a few years back and passed it off as US troops..

  19. Upon review of the vile antics of the Portland demonstrators I was prompted to repost: these people are filthy scum-bags. Whatever political slant and motivations, I must question that sanity of people who’d: bring children to such an event; photograph the filthy behavior; revel in abhorance. Disease is among us and it’s called liberalism.

  20. “Unfortunately, the military is made up of Americans and until we ban liberals from serving, these things will happen.

    Oh brother…(eyes rolling)

  21. Btw, check one for amy –

    “Only supports troops who identify themselves as conservative Christian.”

    Anyone else care to sign onto that one?

  22. ” … a fraction of a percent … “

    That’s what these clowns are. A fraction of a percent.

    To hold people like me on the left up to what you consider to be a “standard” viewpoint of the left – and this isn’t for the great majority of us – is unfair, and you’re damn right I’m going to reject the whole concept you’re trying to push.

    I am an independent voter, not a registered Democrat, but I am very liberal. You cannot tell me what I believe, because only I know what I believe. And I am telling you that I do not support what those foolish people did, nor do any of my liberal friends.

    And you can claim I do and that I’m lying, or whatever crazy crap you want. But if you never believe anything else I say, believe this: that’s not what 99% of liberals are about.

    You may be in denial about it, but it’s the truth. I know who I am and I know what I believe, and I know and trust my friends. That’s not what they are about. Are there some in the world? Yes. But perhaps just “a fraction of a percent”.

    And every day you deny it, you make it easier for yourselves to believe that somehow because I’m pro-choice, anti-war, pro-environment, etc. I’m somehow your enemy. I am not your enemy. I don’t want to be your enemy. Most Democrats / liberals don’t want to be your enemy.

  23. “G.I.s raping and killing innocent Iraqis?”

    Not a smokescreen lew. I surely don’t remember as much attention paid to that event as Victoria is making here, and as you have said, they were convicted of a crime.

    The point was, I consider that event just as ill as the anarchists over the weekend, but don’t consider it as representation of the whole of the military. Seems we’re not being completely honest around here.

    And the chick publication relates – does this offend anyone?

  24. Proselytizing and crapping on our flag while burning a soldier in effigy while chanting Build a bonfire, Build a bonfire, Put the soldiers on the top. Put the fascists in the middle, And, we’ll burn the f**king lot,” equals out?

    Not in my book.

    Who did Chick burn in effigy? What flag did he crap on?

    Some on the left just can’t bring themselves to simply condemn and denounce vile acts without trying to obfuscate.

    Sound like making excuses to me.

    Like it or not, these are the moonbats pulling the puppet strings to your Democrat party leadership today.

  25. Schratboy said…
    Upon review of the vile antics of the Portland demonstrators I was prompted to repost: these people are filthy scum-bags. Whatever political slant and motivations, I must question that sanity of people who’d: bring children to such an event; photograph the filthy behavior; revel in abhorance. Disease is among us and it’s called liberalism.

    Klatu said: right on Schratboy
    but the desease has 3 words also

    THE DEMOCRAT PARTY

  26. “Proselytizing and crapping on our flag while burning a soldier in effigy while chanting Build a bonfire, Build a bonfire, Put the soldiers on the top. Put the fascists in the middle, And, we’ll burn the f**king lot,” equals out?”

    Uh, no. I have said twice now that I view the actions of a few soldiers just as detestable as the actions of a few citizens, and don’t view the entirety of any one group based on those actions.

    The chick publication was just a different example of something I found offensive, and wondered if I was alone. It had nothing to do with the weekends events.

    The “left” condemns, but you will not accept nor listen. So, seems I can’t help you out.

    “Like it or not, these are the moonbats pulling the puppet strings to your Democrat party leadership today.”

    Hardly lew. Of all the talk about “liberals” trying to explain away these anarchists actions, no one here has yet said that what those troops who were convicted was abominable. Shoe, meet the other foot.

  27. Disgusting, but I feel sorry for the boy in the picture. So confused. Parents obviously non-involved. He has been fed this liberal bill of goods all his life by everybody and everything around him, school, MSM, MTV, etc. He merely took those teachings to their logical conclusion. There is hope in these anarkists (sp). At least they’re logical within the confines of their ignorance. More than can be said for r=bs. Yours is the absense of logic and rational thought. There is no or very little hope for you. Example; you say not to paint the left with this boy – man whatever. You all don’t support that….. So he (1 man) is not representative of the left. But later you tell us to take you (1 person) as representative in your condemnation. You won’t get the point but others will. Also truthfully, we don’t believe you. Because again, this is the logical conclusion of all the left says and because the left is so cavalier in it’s words and so capricious in their stands it appears to us as an obvious lack of honor.

  28. This is all just like being able to blame racism for your trouble. As long as no one is willing to take a look in the mirror, not much will get done.

    Liberal! Neo-con! Commie! Facist! Oh yeah! Yeah!

    We deserve every bit of the feces-sammich we are making for ourselves.

  29. I heard a replay tonight of the Mike Gallagher show, and his guest was Sen.John McCain. Gallagher played SEN. McCain the chant from this Communist Bonfire Surrender America protest.

    Build a bonfire
    Build a bonfire
    Put the soldiers on the top.
    Put the fascists in the middle,
    And, we’ll burn the f**king lot.”

    The Sen.Does have a TEMPER on him.

    Ps R_equals_BS said…
    klatu, how do you feel about the Green party?

    Klatu said: Don’t Cuss at me

  30. I apologise: Mike Gallagher played Sen.McCain this chant

    BYE BYE GI IN IRAQ YOUR GONNA DIE
    BYE BYE GI IN IRAQ YOUR GONNA DIE

    along with the other chant.

    The College Democrats Probably came up with these Chants at PSU?

    EM I RIGHT? And you did get college credits for these chants by
    your Communist Professor?

  31. http://www.s-t.com/daily/01-97/01-17-97/a06wn040.htm
    http://www.cnn.com/US/9701/19/abortion.bombing
    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/print/CTVNews/1121689067130_155?hub=TopStories&subhub=PrintStory
    http://cgi.cnn.com/US/9801/29/bombing.update
    http://sensibleelection.com/entry.php/1892

    If a few individuals is all it takes to sum up a political view, take a look at these sites and tell me what to think of the law-abiding, conscientious right? Or is it wrong to view anybody who votes conservative as a violent thug willing to kill anyone who disagrees?

    Every side has their extreemists, just as there are ‘conservative democrats’ and ‘liberal republicans’ the extreem does not sum up the whole.

    *preparing for the hate*

  32. More leftist obfuscation?

    You will be hard pressed to find any who supported or didn’t outright denounce that 10 year old bombing or anything the Klan does.

    Nor did any throw the usual smokescreen of your side did worse. We all outright condemned those acts.

    On the other hand, the left tried desperately to tie the Westboro ‘God Hates Fags’ group to the right, even they have a long history of supporting the Democrat party. Again, everyone condemned them across the board.

    We are still waiting for any denouncement from the Mayor, Governor, or City or County Commissioners.

    The left would garner some credibility if they simply denounced these kooks that are pressuring the leaders of the Democrat party and left the smokescreens alone.

  33. I think that the whole portland thing was wrong, if you had ever been there you would probably know that there is a strong presence of young people who seem to shout out ‘Hey!! Look at me!!’. So I am not suprised by their ‘protest’, once again….’Hey!! Look at me!!’

    So…let me say this very plainly (will use your words in hopes that you understand)….’You will be hard pressed to find any who supported or didn’t outright denounce’ the act in portland. I am responding more to your view that all non-conservative individuals are flag-burning/deficating, effigy-making, idiots.

  34. where are these people? it always seems to me that these idiots goto towns where they know no one will anything. god, i hope one of these fu*cking idiots come around anywhere near my town. i have a nice little bat waiting for them. yes, i would be proud to goto jail for that. if i’m willing to die for my country, jail time would be no problem for these fags.

  35. Where’s the Republican Party’s Apology to the Children? Where’s the Republican Party’s appology to the parents? Where’s the Republican Party’s Apology to the Nation? Contact Mel Martinez here.

    Here is just a short list:

    -Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
    Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.

    -Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
    Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
    Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

    -Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

    -Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.

    -Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

    -Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

    -Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

    -Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.

    -Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

    -Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

    -Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

    -Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

    -Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

    -Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

    -Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

    -Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

    -Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

    -Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

    -Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

    -Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

    -Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    -Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    -Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

    -Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

    -Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

    -Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

    -Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

    -Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

    -Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

    -Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

    -Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

    -Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

    -Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
    Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

    -Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

    -Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

    -Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

    -Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
    Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

    -Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

    -Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

    -Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
    Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

    -Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

    -Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

    -Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

    -Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

    -Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

    -Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

    -Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

    -Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

    -Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

    -Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

    -Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.

    -Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

    -Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

    -Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

    -Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.

  36. Reggie,

    When you finish this list with dishonest crap like this:
    “Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.” I have to assume that most of your list is equally dishonest. Both parties are comprised of human beings with human failings, but it says something about you that you have to lie to make the list longer. And since you lied in one case we are free to believe all of your examples are lies or just Democrats with the party changed.

  37. “More than can be said for r=bs. Yours is the absence of logic and rational thought.”

    So, it’s illogical to assume that one person doesn’t always represent the views of a majority, especially when nearly the entirety of that majority has denounced that one’s actions? What, are you next going to sell me that files grow from rotting meat?

    I never claimed that my one opinion represents the view of any majority either. However, if you open your eyes to the majority of people are saying about these anarchists, you’d realize my opinion is consistent with a majority view.

  38. iknowhowtospell said…” And I am telling you that I do not support what those foolish people did, nor do any of my liberal friends.”

    Nor do any you have the intestinal fortitude to stop it.

    Don’t think for one minute that I would trust you or any of your liberal friends to protect me, my family or my Country.

  39. Well, it’s your right to believe whatever crazy bullshit you want and to not like me, trust me, want to know me, get to know what I’m about … whatever.

    If you want to be a paranoid jerk, go nuts.

    But to me, the claims of people like Victoria and Sean Hannity that the right wants to be “intellectually honest” seem to be nothing but delusional conjecture when people like Leonidas, tbafam, and Klaturd are around.

  40. Oh, I know what you are about. You are about free speech without responsibility. You are about rights without sacrifice. You are about freedom provided by the blood and courage of others. You are about appeasement and surrender. Without the likes of me you would be the first to have your head cut off by the enemies of this Country. I defend your rights no matter how distasteful your actions and views. But you and your liberal friends disgust me, as I do you. The difference is that you take your freedom for granted and look down upon those that provide it. I on the other hand am willing to fight and die for my freedom and my Country and have proven it.

  41. More nonsense.

    Where have I defended those in the pictures posted? All I have said is that I strongly disagree with them and that they don’t represent me as a liberal; You extrapolate it to the most illogical extremes.

  42. When one throws a rock into the middle of a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one you have hit.

    My use of the term “you” was more a general reference to those depicted.

    If my comments do not apply to you personally, move along.

  43. Personally I feel these people should be sent to Iraq and find out what true freedom is. They don’t seem to understand what it really means to be an American and I am ashamed that they are from this wonderful country. I have friends that are part of our military and it makes me angry to see something so disrespectful done towards them. They are brave men and women who need our support.

  44. Liz:
    Speaking as one of the men who has served, honorably and proudly, in the United States Army, I am so tired of hearing this cant about we have to support the troops — by suppressing the very freedom this nation stands for.

    I write as a Vietnam era veteran, and I am quite serious. When I enlisted — volunteering — the first thing I did was to raise my right hand and take an oath, to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. The first amendment to that Constitution gives people the right to say what they want, and to use symbolic speech — which means they have a constitutional right to make jackasses of themselves. And my job as a soldier was to ensure that their right to be jackasses was kept safe.

    Yes, this is a grown-up concept. It takes some tolerance to accept the idea that a protester is an American, just as much as anyne else.

    But I recall a story told by one of the airmen who was captured and held prisoner by the North Vietnamese for six years. He told this is a radio essay that was broadcast several years later on July 4, in the hope that some of the listeners would come to share his understanding of Independence Day. He told how the North Vietnamese major who was his primary interrogator one day had him brought into the interrogation room, and spread out in front of him a multi-page article from “Like” magazine that included color pictures of protesters burning an American flag. “This,” the North Vietnamese officer said, almost gloating, “Shows how weak your government has become.” The American paused and then said. “Oh, but you are mistaken. These pictures show how strong my government is, that it is not afraid to let its people say what they will.” He looked the interrogator in the face, and watched him begin to shake visibly. The man was afraid. Suddenly he screamed for the guards and had the American taken back to his cell, too bewildered to go on.

    And that is what America means. I do not agree with some of the things that the protesters did, but I consider myself an American precisely because I will fight relentlessly to uphold their right to say it. And I consider that the best support the troops can have.

  45. I’d like to see
    “THE US NAVY”
    hold Naval exercises
    in the Willamette River
    this June during the Rose Parade.

    Or better yet don’t even come to
    “MOSCOW ON THE RIVER” at all.
    The Socialist Paradise is not worth it.

  46. Speaking as one of the men who has served, honorably and proudly, in the United States Army, 18 months boot on the ground in South Viet Nam and six more years afterwards in Germany and Ft. Bragg, N.C., I am so tired of hearing this rant about we don’t have to support the troops — claiming the very freedom this nation stands for and our Troops have traditionally fought and died for.

    I write as a Vietnam Veteran, and I am quite serious. When I enlisted – volunteering and voluntarily extending my tour in Viet Nam — the first thing I did was to raise my right hand and take the oath, “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

    I support their right to protest, that is, until they place themselves in the position of “foreign or domestic enemy,” by desecrating our National Flag, vandalizing National Monuments, and chanting death wishes to the very ones who protect them and they refuse to support.

    It is not ‘tolerance’ to turn a blind eye to such acts of sedition, it is complacency, laziness and tacit support of those who have no respect for any other except their vile and unruly kind. Nor is it ‘grown-up’ to cower behind anarchists who wish only to destroy this country and excuse their ill-behavior by crying “freedom of speech.”

    If the left really believed in “freedom of speech,” there wouldn’t be any “hate speech” ordnances to use against those that don’t accept the deviate behavior of anarchists and others of the left.

    I find it the epitome of hypocrisy to claim, “I consider myself an American precisely because I will fight relentlessly to uphold their right to say it. And I consider that the best support the troops can have,” yet do not fight equally as hard, if not harder, to keep the current Congress from ripping the rug out from underneath the very Troops they claim to support.

    Demoralizing the Troops and emboldening our enemies they are fighting is not supporting them. Letting this country slip far enough downward that the Troops feel the need to petition Congress for Support, is pitiful and shameful. Trying to block shipments of Medical Equipment to the Troops and excusing their conduct, as “freedom of speech” is equally pitiful and shameful.

    That is why, as an American Combat Veteran, I will continue speaking out and opposing the Socialist left who seek to destroy the very fabric of this great nation, in every legal way I can.

  47. Left against Right round (what round are we on, I lost count?)
    Has anyone changed their views, even slightly?

    Should cities apologize for the behavior of their citizens?
    Should the good citizens stand up and apologize, for the bad behavior of their co-citizens?
    Should the good citizens of the anti-war movement apologize for the behavior of those who would mis-represent their movement with disgusting acts.
    Or have they, and has it fallen on deaf ears?

    Is Anarchy closer to
    Communism or Democracy?
    Socialism or Capitalism?

    Did they ever figure out if that law means that no one can blow their nose within the Portland city limits?
    There was something on another blog about that law, when it went into effect. Something about the placement of the semicolons.

  48. So Victoria, I’ve heard that you are good friends with the liar Gregg Schumacher. There was no intimidation campaign to sabotage his effort to move and the supposedly targeted management of Washington Square and Bridgeport even denied being the targets of a campaign to influence them (check out the 2/20/07 Oregonian Victoria). And I could go on and on but I don’t want to waste more time on it here. What I hope you’ll share with us is the day Gregg and Linda Schumacher plan to make their final day in business as Schumacher Furs. Surely Gregg has told you. Join the group for the Saturday protests. You’ll see for yourself that the activists are not the “terrorists” that Gregg Schumacher claims we are. But I suspect you don’t really want to know the truth about the protests or the suffering the animals experience to be made into coats and scarves and other items. You’re perfectly happy to accept Gregg Schuamcher’s lies without question. What does that say about you Victoria Taft? And that closing date, please share. The protests will continue until the Schumachers vacate their space on SW Morrison so why not?

  49. billy goat,

    Shumacher’s will not set a timetable or a date for withdrawal. To do so would let you “terrorists” win. Why do you want the Schumacher’s to cut and run?

  50. Billy Goat: You make r_equals_bs, iknowhowtospell, westsidedavid, coboble, seem like flaming conservative people. How much Does “The Communist Party of Portland” Pay you guys to stand out front of Schumachers? Tom Potter, Randy Leonard, does take Federal,and State Tax’s out for your Services don’t they?? Proud of Burning the US SOLDIER in EFFIGY?? Where did you and Tom Potter make the F***THE TROOPS sign, and how much did it cost the city of Portland? And thats “You Billy Goat” taking a _ _ – + on the US FLAG at the Hate March?

    Ps and where are you and your fellow Comrades going to live after the Schumachers win there SUIT, and Portlands name is changed to SCHUMACHER???

    PPS WAL-MART IS COMING BILLY GOAT

  51. Billy Goat said…
    “So Victoria, I’ve heard that you are good friends with the liar G………..hare. The protests will continue until the Schumachers vacate their space on SW Morrison so why not?”

    One of you is lying. I look forward to when humans are considered good eating, and having a nice vegan-skin coat is considered fashion.

  52. Hey r_equals_bs, that’s funny.

    “Why do you want the Schumacher’s to cut and run?”

    Actually they tried to do just that and it was a surprise to us. On the Monday after the Fur Free Friday weekend in late Nov. last year GS announced his plans to relocate. I even recall him being on Victoria’s show ranting about all the horrible things we haven’t done. Sometime after that he even told the media that he had a new store location but he couldn’t reveal it at that time. More BS from the Greggster. He obviously had not secured a new store location. Those retailers of choice (Gregg’s choice) haven’t wanted to rent him space, what a shame. And I’m guessing that last fall GS and the landlord TMT Development probably came to some kind of agreement about when GS would vacate the space at SW 9th and Morrison. I don’t know this to be true but it seems likely. So despite GS’s attempt to “cut and run” (and his lack of success at that) he will be clearing the way for a new occupant anyway. The animals win. The protests have always been about the animals (and not the Schumchers). The activists have never stopped anyone from shopping at Schumacher’s and the larger protests (there have been other much smaller protests on other days) have only happened on Saturdays (except for Fur Free Friday). Those who want to buy what the Schumachers are selling have and have had every other day of the week to shop there if they are uncomfortable with the activist’s presence. Our fellow citizens have decided that they don’t want, at least not in significant quantities, what the Schumachers are selling. Congratulations to the people of the Portland area for making compassionate shopping choices.

    Interestingly, in the fall and winter months several Schumacher employees had stated to us that the protests had been great for their business, making lots of money. I guess that was a lie too. Can’t blame us though. I suppose the Schumacher finances will be examined closely if they decide to go ahead with the law suit they threatened the City of Portland with almost a year ago.

    And one more thing (to Klatu), we don’t get paid for being the voices of the animals. It costs us money (the banners, signs, food and beverages, video, etc.). And the protests are legal gatherings. We are not breaking the law by being there. It’s amazing that some people seem to think that free speech is only for those who agree with them. We also welcome counter-protesters. In the 16.5 months the protests have been happening there have been only 5 counter-protesters and one of those was Linda Schuamcher on 11/25/06.
    That’s pathetic. Hey Schumacher sympathizers, where have you all been? Too lazy to get your bones out there on Saturday afternoons? Make a sign and join the party. You haven’t got much time left. And by the way, yes we have jobs (with the exception of the youngest activists and the retired activists), no we don’t wear leather, yes we have lives, no we don’t eat meat, yes we pay our taxes, we don’t burn the flag, we respect those who are serving and have served in the military and in fact at least one of the activists had served in the military in recent times, we love our country, we believe in the Constitution, and we feel no creatures should suffer whether they are human or non-human. Klatu, you just seem to be a ranting lunatic….and it’s “their suit” not “there suit” so you should practice your spelling.

  53. Billy Goat,

    Schumacher’s aside, the peace rally thing … If any of those involved with the “festivities” were in your group (and I don’t know you guys, so my apologies if they aren’t associated), I would politely ask that in you future, um, you know … don’t do that?

    Please? I want this administration to do as little damage as it can in its final days, too, but that’s not the best way to go about voicing displeasure, no matter how strongly you may feel about it.

  54. Hello iknowhowtospell. Our group (on that day providing a vegan message) had a table in the park blocks and we were giving away free soy “ice cream” made in Oregon and other vegan snacks as well as literature to those who approached our table and wanted it. We had lots of great conversations with those present. We participated peacefully in the main march and once it came back around to the park blocks we chatted with some folks and gave away more food and then we packed up and went home. We weren’t even aware of the other “festivities” until I heard about it on the local news. Our group has had a good and respectful relationship with the Portland police (who until the most recent weeks was always present to observe the fur protests). We were present on that day to not only spread a message of peace for all creatures but to behave in a peaceful manner toward all and our day was truly a peaceful and inspiring one. Thanks for expressing your thoughts about that.

  55. Billy Goat said: And one more thing (to Klatu), we don’t get paid for being the voices of the animals. Klatu said:(Just a sec,gotta put this Turkey sandwich down).
    Where do you work Billy Goat?

  56. Here we go. It won’t matter how you answer billy, for the minute the “where do you work” question is asked, klatu’s already asserted you are a government employee and are somehow using our tax dollars for your personal activities.

    I think it’s just klatu’s way of coming to grips with the fact that he/she has to spend countless hours wasting life away at the big box store, non-union, dead end, minimum wage job he/she is so proud of.

    I’d reply to klatu’s question with something like “none of your f***ing business.” But that’s just me.

  57. Genesis 9:2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

  58. Why R_equals_BS Billy Goat Knows 2 of the Anarchists that were Arrested at the Hate America Rally. Are you Protecting him??
    I thought you and the other Socialists Distanced yourself from the Splinter Groups.

    Ps R_equals_BS: I’ve never asked
    you this question, Where do you work?????

  59. Protecting him? From what, your idiot spew? Ha, I don’t think he has much to fear.

    And you’ve asked me the “work” question many a time. You even went on a tirade one day, nearly experiencing a complete mental meltdown when I was posting on Vic’s blog during my work day. If I remember right, you couldn’t handle the fact that I have a job that doesn’t give two cents if I spend my entire day picking my teeth. I know that kind of employment, in private industry, is something your silly little walnut can’t fathom working all day under the thumb of your 18 year old supervisor.

    Hey, what can I say? It was your free choice to spend your days fumbling around playing bass in Beatles tribute bands and lord knows what else, when you could have signed up for service, and after 4 years had your way through college paid. Then maybe you’d have more context behind the garbage you post here besides anger knowing you’re the only person here in their 50’s still living in their parent’s basement.

    What do you say now, fascist?

  60. R_equals_BS: Does Victoria Know you? Or do you think she knows who you are? Do You call into Victoria’s show? Victoria Knows my real name, and I call into her show using my real name quite frequently?

    Ps and wow, what Emotional Liberalism

    PPs and I take it you don’t like The Beatles? I would Imagine
    your anarchist friends WHO CHANTED

    Build a bonfire
    Build a bonfire
    Put the soldiers on the top.
    Put the fascists in the middle,
    And, we’ll burn the f**king lot.”

    PROBABLY LIKE THE BEATLES???

  61. R_equals_BS_ __ _you’re the only person here in their 50’s still living in their parent’s basement.

    Klatu Said: R_equals_BS_ _ _ _, MY PARENTSSSS ARE DEADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

    Keep talking about my late parents AS_ _ _ _ + _ and I’ll think about joining tromantic in the streets of Portland looking for _ _ _ – _ +_ _+ _ _ _ .

    you got it _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ +>>…

    And I meannnnnn it _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .

  62. “Does Victoria Know you? Or do you think she knows who you are? Do You call into Victoria’s show?”

    No, no, and no. I don’t even listen to her show. Listening to her is like running one’s elbows against a cheese grater and dipping them in salt.

    “Victoria Knows my real name, and I call into her show using my real name quite frequently?”

    Are you asking me?

    “PPs and I take it you don’t like The Beatles? I would Imagine”

    I like the Beatles quite a bit. You’re not the Beatles, not does being in a tribute band make you the Beatles. In fact, I’m pretty sure you playing Beatles songs is anything but a tribute.

    “Keep talking about my late parents AS_ _ _ _ + _ and I’ll think about joining tromantic in the streets of Portland looking for _ _ _ – _ +_ _+ _ _ _ .”

    I am aware you claim your parents have passed on. I was not talking about your parents. If talking about your living situation in the basement of your parents house is disrespectful to their memory, then perhaps you should move.

    It takes a really big person to advocate physical violence against others. In your mind, if you beat me within inches of my life, do you win?

  63. Lew,
    Remember our debate on Immigration, and how you got me to re-consider the validity (or lack of validity) of one my own arguments?

  64. Cramdown said…
    Gone-zales lied!!!!!!!!!!

    R_equals_BS said…
    cramdown, he didn’t lie.

    His statements were seen being loaded into airplanes and flown out of the country before we attacked him.

    Klatu said: So What,

    1. The AG will be looking into Voter Fraud in the State of Seattle, Kiev County.

    2. And maybe Flag desecration in Moscow Oregon.

    3. And Maybe business intimidation in Moscow Oregon

    4. Of Course I’d like to see the AG Look into UN-AMERICAN activities by you 2 _ _ _ _ _.

    And maybe see “THE HOUSE ON “UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES” BE REINSTATED, and the “SENATE ON UN-AMERICAN” activites be created.

    Ps: Call into Victoria’s show Communists. Pull yourself away from “NPR”–“KBOO”.

  65. iknowhowtospell: Call into Victoria
    503-225-0860
    1-877-774.kpam

    She loves to Talk to Communists

    Ps Workin on the next F***THE TROOPS SIGN?

  66. While I don’t think it’s a good idea to lie, it’s never been against the law to lie to reporters. It doesn’t matter because, in the end, they would have gone after him anyway.

  67. I am an independent voter, but a registered Democrat, I am very middle of the road, but those people in the video are nothing like me They are NOT DEMOCRATSI doubt a single one is even registered to vote.

    Your trying to be like FOX Noise and putting everyone in a box sorry your SPIN is just wrong.

    By the way your “Great decider” “War president” is now looking for a “War Czar” seems he cant take the heat!

  68. First and foremost, this type of display is still protected by the Constitution and any ignorant citizen posting here in favor of creating laws that would limit these freedoms is far more disrespectful to the soldiers fighting over there. To have them knowingly volunteer to go and fight for the America that they were raised in and believe in, strongly enough to sacrifice their lives, then to change that and usurp the very freedoms the soldiers have convinced themselves they are fighting for is reprehensible. So, get a better perspective before spouting your reactionary, ironically unpatriotic nonsense.

    Furthermore, burning an effigy is actually a traditional form of peaceful protest, dating back to cultures far more entrenched in history then ours. The alternative you would rather? That they find ACTUAL veterans and burn them? And if protestors are “ignored”, as has been suggested, what recourse would you have them seek? When Clinton was in office it was the peevish right that was clawing for any headway to be heard. Now that rightist fascism is indeed the current trend, suddenly the right wants to silence the opposition. Curious.

    Back the “volunteer” issue. Now that it is clear that this campaign in Iraq was ill-advised and seemingly without much concrete justification, how is it patriotic for the blood thirst of American military to continue to be quenched? A true patriot would stand up to a government that undermines the very ideals these “volunteers” said they were willing to lay their lives down for. Yet, we still have people going over, in the clear light of atrocity which is this administration’s agenda. Shame on all the soldiers who don’t stand up and do what’s right: come home, go AWOL, serve your time for desertion, but stop representing MY AMERICA as one of imperial conquest and authoritarian force. We’re not saving anyone now, we just look like fools.

  69. 7 months later I stumbled along.

    What bums me out: one of those parasites has a SWEET Osprey backpack.

    Oh why do all my favorite things have to also be enjoyed by morons?

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