Fruit Bats Gone Mad*UPDATE

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In addition to the other protester pictures from Portland from over the weekend (see a few blog entries down here) there’s THIS photo from San Francisco (above).

ADDITION FRIDAY 7:15 AM:
I’ve noticed that you’ve mentioned the editorial in the Oregonian separating this Portland anarchist bunch from the so called “peace” crowd. Sorry, no sale. The Orwellian named Portland Peaceful Response Coalition, the folks who have been leading pro Palestinian, anti United States, no war protests for years are EXACTLY among the people who were burning the soldier in effigy and declared F*** the Troops in their signs.

The PPRC, once upon a time, used to have their member groups listed on their website. They changed their website to members only and then eventually removed their list of members, but not until after I outed them on the air on my Saturday show on KPAM several years ago. Apparently pointing out their members on the air made them nervous. And why wouldn’t they be? Their membership included what we now know are terror groups! Among their members are: EARTH FIRST, ELF and ALF (in addition to the usual communist and socialist party folks. Here’s their current list of causes with which they associate. While there are the assorted far left groups with which they associate, this is a SIGNIFICANTLY SANITIZED LIST.

And let’s duly note this: according to the folks who have been keeping track of the usual crazies out in front of Schumachers, two of the “regular” protesters from Schumachers WERE ARRESTED over the weekend at the “peace” protest. What are the chances that it’s the first time these professional protesters have ever broken the law during a protest? Slim to none I’d say. So, Portland police, why aren’t you more closely watching the Schumacher protesters…from the FRONT…not the back!
Read Debra Saunders piece on the Bush Lied trope here. Nut graphs here:

I decided to re-read the NIE excerpts that the administration released. What does the report say? “Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of U.N. restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade.” The NIE also reported that Iraq had “expanded its chemical and biological infrastructure under the cover of civilian production,” that Baghdad had renewed production of mustard and sarin gases, and that Iraqi missiles could threaten the “U.S. homeland.”

Yes, the NIE key judgments reported that some officials in the State Department did not believe Saddam Hussein was pursuing a “comprehensive approach to acquire nuclear weapons.” But the report also noted that, “Most agencies assess that Baghdad started reconstituting its nuclear program about the time that (U.N. weapons) inspectors departed — December 1998.”

So let us review the Bush-lied argument that Anderson and other war critics espouse. They say Bush lied about WMD, when, in fact, America’s best intelligence presented no doubt about Iraq having chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction. And according to the NIE, most intelligence agencies also believed Iraq had been working on nukes for four years.

Here’s another point that the Bush-lied misinformation campaign has forgotten. While war critics point to Bush’s inclusion of this sentence — “The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa” — in his 2003 State of the Union Address as proof that Bush misled the country into war, Bush uttered those words three months after Congress voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq.

Bush Lied is the Big Lie. It takes the controversy over one aspect of U.S. intelligence on Iraq’s WMD — the nuclear program question — to argue that the whole WMD argument was bogus. That is, the president’s accusers are guilty of the very sort of dishonest selectivity that they accuse Bush of using.

Now the Bush-lied lie is boomeranging on those Democratic presidential hopefuls — Sens. Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Christopher Dodd and former Sen. John Edwards — who voted in favor of the Iraq war resolution.

By going along with the Bush-lied spin, by refusing to acknowledge that the intelligence community presented strong reasons to vote for war, these Democrats have boxed themselves into a corner. They now have only one rationale for their vote that they can use — they were duped by the nincompoop Bush — or one rationale that they cannot use — they sent U.S. troops to Iraq against their better judgment but out of naked ambition.

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39 thoughts on “Fruit Bats Gone Mad*UPDATE

  1. KGW CH.8: Congrats on showing one of the anti-troop anti-american Pictures at 10:06pm tonight. Now show the f***THE TROOPS PICTURE.

    Ps And why don’t you talk to the Majority of the US MILITARY about this discusting Anti-American, un-Patriotic Behavior, instead of the young feminist who took the Pictures for the Indypedent Communist Website.

    Or should we just say who they are, KGW CH.8
    “THE BEIRUT GROUP”
    Remember them from the early 90’s
    LIBERAL KGW CH.8
    Or as I like to call them

    DEMOCRATS

  2. The Oregonian editorial 3-22-07

    When protests backfire
    The message of a mostly peaceful rally is lost on the fringe of those who oppose the war
    Thursday, March 22, 2007
    P eople who marched through downtown Portland against the U.S. military mission in Iraq on Sunday put on a remarkable display. A reported 15,000 marched and chanted in opposition to the war and the White House strategy in Iraq — many more than gathered in San Francisco or New York.

    Most of the marchers were peaceful and reasonable. A few were not. Unfortunately, the most memorable images from the protest will be of the few and not of the many.

    On the South Park Blocks, a handful of people set afire a uniformed effigy of a U.S. soldier and an upside-down flag. Around them, bystanders took pictures. Some of these images have made several loops of the planet by now, with the “Portland” marquee from the Performing Arts Center centered in the background.

    The backlash began a day later.

    “These jackasses are pure SCUM,” reads one of the e-mails received here this week. “It’s because of the sacrifices of these soldiers they have the freedom to act like idiots.”

    Others of the 15,000 or so marchers were horrified to learn about the small demonstration with the burning effigy. They say they weren’t aware it was happening and wish that it hadn’t.

    “So much for supporting the troops,” read an e-mail from an Oregon National Guardsman.

    This is one of the things that happens when a free society puts itself through a difficult debate. The country’s sentiment has shifted in the past two years, with a majority of the American people deeply troubled about the nation’s course in Iraq, along with the continuing carnage and instability. This majority delivered a powerful political message in November, unseating the Republican congressional majorities and providing what the president himself called “a whuppin’.”

    The march through downtown Portland near the fourth anniversary of the invasion was a loud, colorful expression of this new majority sentiment. Old folks, children, men and women marched the streets in force, reinforcing the message of last November.

    Marches like this are the way wars are fought in the arena of public opinion. But their message is tainted by the actions of a small group more keen on delivering an outrage than an argument. And because their actions fit the definition of outrageous, they provide grist for passionate people on both sides of the debate.

    Sadly for the 15,000 or so, the sidebar demonstration undermines the dominant message of peaceful dissent. The goal of an anti-war march, it would seem, would be not to win over the most committed supporters of the war, because they won’t be persuaded. And it’s not to win over committed opponents, because they are already persuaded. It’s to woo the great moderate middle of the electorate that decides the outcome of any national policy debate. And those members of the middle shrink from the callousness of a masked man burning an effigy of a soldier.

    As the demonstrators surely know, this did nothing to advance an argument. Indeed, it contradicts the feelings of many anti-war protesters, who tend to believe that the people of the military have served honorably but have been misused by their government.

    But if the words “Portland” or “anti-war protest” now conjure images of a burning effigy in uniform, then that is a shame.

    Klatu said: Thanks for finally saying somthing about this Oregonian.
    NOWWWWW SHOW THE PICTURESSSSSS
    on the front page above the fold.

    Ps The Beirut Group “Idycommunists”
    are made at you Oregonian.

  3. Lew: Taliban Tommy and Teddy the Appeaser are in hiding. Their silence on this equates to their tacit approval of the signs and the actions that went on last Sunday.

  4. OK, Scottie, by those rules, since George W. hasn’t scolded Ann Coulter for calling John Edwards a “faggot”, can I safely assume that Bush also thinks that Edwards is a “faggot” and is OK with that sort of character attack?

  5. ilovef***thetroopsandyesi’mafruitbatanarchist:

    Call your gov.buddy in Salem and Mayor buddy, in Portland, and tell them to openly denouce these anti-american actions. There silence will notttttttttttttt be forgotten.
    Its obvious you all agree with this.

    Iknow check out what your friends are saying over at the peaceful anarchist website.They love these signs.They are the majority in the Democratic Party.
    They do speak for youuuuuuuu.

    portland.indymedia.org

  6. You can keep trying to push all the buttons you want, Klaturd. Ain’t gonna work. You can make up any stories you want and lie until you’re blue in the face.

    You’re not worth the time.

  7. What on Earth would I be worried about? Despite the best efforts of people like you, we managed to survive six years of the worst failed policy and inept political leadership in the history of this country.

    I wake up with great hope for the future, knowing that this horrible president and his terrible staff will be out of office sooner than later.

  8. LA Times 3/23/07:

    “Public allegiance to the Republican Party has plunged during George W. Bush’s presidency, as attitudes have edged away from some of the conservative values that fueled GOP political victories, a major survey has found.”

    “The survey, by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, found a “dramatic shift” in political party identification since 2002, when Republicans and Democrats were at rough parity. Now, 50% of those surveyed identified with or leaned toward Democrats, whereas 35% aligned with Republicans.”

    How’s that again klatuuuuuuuuuuuuu?

  9. What on Earth would I be worried about? Despite the best efforts of Socialists, we managed to survive 15 years of the worst failed policy and inept political leadership in the history of this country.

    My Late Mother said this to me about KING “FDR”.

    And Democrats back than didn;t go around Burning,Defecating,spiting,on the American Flag and say F***the Troops back then.
    The Democrats definetly changed to the worst after 1945.

    Ps Have you called
    1. TOM POTTER
    2. GOV. TED
    3. The PORTLAND CHEIF OF POLICE
    4. Randy Leonard
    Yet???????
    TO DENOUCE these PICTURES AND ACTIONS TAKEN.

    I guess Burning things is legal
    from now on in the streets and Backyards of PORTLAND.

  10. Cramdown said: The LA Times, the partisan Pew Research Center.

    Yea there’s a couple of Socialist Liberal communist dieing RAGS.

    And they probably never showed the F***THE TROOPS, BURN THE FLAG, BURN THE TROOPS IN EFFIGY, Pictures. NO THE RISIG TIDE IS TURNINGGGGGGG AWAY FROM SOCIALISTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
    The Grown Ups have had enough.

  11. You’re bankrupt of ideas, Klaturd. You have no point, no facts to support what you’re claiming, and seemingly no grasp of the actual world around you. You resort to ridiculous distortions of reality because you have nothing to offer. You’re just spittle and vinegar.

    Is this because I called you a retarded Unicorn once?

  12. iknowhowtospellF***thetroops said:
    You’re bankrupt of ideas, Klatu.

    Hardly iknowhowtospellF***thetroops.

    Ps Nancy Peloski and group pulled a NO NO Today, iknowhowtospellF***thetroops.

    PPS your socialist clout doesn’t seem to be working iknowhowtospellF***thetroops.
    Still no word from the Mayor,the gov.
    and chief of police? Keep trying.
    I can get some Phone #’s for you
    iknowhowtospellF***thetroops.

  13. I know: I will assume that since you haven’t said anything against the abominal goings-on in downtown Portland last Sunday, that you would agree with their actions too. To me, that makes you just as bad as the flag-burners, the soldier-effigy-burners, the “F— the Troops” idiots, and the utter lowlife who shit on the American flag. It is nice to know that you keep such ignoble company.

  14. Good Lord, it sounds like just about everyone on here today is void of ideas. Pull yourselves out of your loathing stupor and actually take a look at what the meat of this post is about, for crying out loud! We’ve all established that the people responsible for the over-the-top protesting are absent conscience and morality (and probably any solid education in American history), and deserve nothing more than to end up in a country where that sort of stupidity isn’t tolerated.

    Not one of you has commented on the rest of the article. One thing not mentioned are accounts of hundreds of truckloads of something being shipped out of Iraq across the Syrian border once the invasion by American forces was evident to Saddam. Let’s think… what could he have possibly wanted to get out of the country so fast once it was certain the most powerful military in the world would be knocking on his front door? And what did we learn today about the intelligence AS A WHOLE that the President and EVERYONE who voted in favor of the use of force against Saddam was at least aware of?

  15. With U.S. Soldiers wasting civilians in Afganistan, is there any wonder why there is such detest for the U.S. Military. Besides, with trash like grease ball Lew Waters and Poor Dumb Schmuck I can completely understand the disdain.

  16. iknowhowtospell said…

    “….Klaturd.”

    I don’t know about you, it’s hard to follow some of this without a program, but that’s funny.

  17. Scottie, open your eyes. Seriously. Never said anything, huh?

    Three days ago, dude. Three days ago.

    If you go HERE and read down 15 posts, you’ll see that I wrote this:

    iknowhowtospell said…

    I cannot justify the action of those who burned in effigy the figure of the US solider, nor do I endorse the “F the troops” sign. That’s way over line, as far as I’m concerned.

    That said, I would also like to remind everyone that those who did these things do not in any way, shape, or form speak for me or my own personal beliefs, no matter how much I disagree with this administration (which I still think is horrible). I would also feel pretty confident that this handful of protesters does not speak for the great, great majority of the left.

    Again: what they did was wrong and in my eyes inexcusable, and I do not endorse it in any way.

    Even though everyone on the left is going to get lumped in with them anyway.

    20 March, 2007 07:14

  18. One more quick thing – I’m sure he’d rather I not “defend” him or anything, but Lew seems like a pretty good guy who tries to keep it all above the belt. He’s certainly thoughtful about what he posts, and if he makes an argument he does his best to back it up, and I completely respect that. I don’t agree with him much, but I certainly don’t think it’s fair to call him names. Just my two cents.

  19. EVANS FAM: WELCOME BACK– THIS POST IS ABOUT THE”PPRC” not just the Iraq war. Its about how all the groups at that protest all agree with F***THE TROOPS, BURN THE SOLDIER IN EFFEGY, BURN THE American FLAG Banners, and how the liberal media is covering for them. Do your home work on the PPRC THAT VICTORIA PROVIDED. The Democrats have always been made up of little Groups with a purpose, or a cause, and try to get back together during elections. Those 2 arrested at the protest were also at schumachers every weekend, and were part of a couple of these groups. The cops can hardly do anything to them. Portland what a wonderful city.

  20. Evans Fam: Also “VICTORIA ADDED TO THIS POST AFTER MANY OF US HAD ALREADY POSTED. She added the part “your talking about” this morning, after I had posted the “OREGONIAN EDITORIAL”.

  21. evans fam, sorry we’re all too stupid and missed the whole “someone shipped something somewhere, thus proving something.” Thanks for clearing that up for us idiots.

    klatu, you are the same fanatical, violent, angry minority as those who burned the soldier or had the f* the troops sign. You and they only serve to make a mockery of the “party” you both claim to be a part of (if one at all), and in no way do either of you represent a majority viewpoint. scottie, read this twice.

    abe, you should read what Lew has to say once in a while, he usually makes good points and isn’t afraid to have an honest discussion.

  22. With U.S. Soldiers wasting civilians in Afganistan, is there any wonder why there is such detest for the U.S. Military. Besides, with trash like grease ball Lew Waters and Poor Dumb Schmuck I can completely understand the disdain.

    Hmmm. I assume it safe to believe at least one from the left here actually agrees with and appreciates with the F*** the Troops crowd. Must be the one lighting the effigy of the soldier, no doubt.

    Psst. Don’t tell the moonbat, but old Honest Abe was a *gasp* REPUBLICAN!!!

  23. Majority or Minority?
    A few protesters out of hand, or the general movement out of hand?
    Is this the disagreement to be debated here?

    My own views on the war are not going to be formed based on the messages of radicals who would destroy the property of others or stomp upon the rights of others to make their point.
    Nor are they going to be formed by having someone try to point out the deplorable behavior of a few, as if it represented the majority of those who hold a particular view.
    Both of those only serve to cause me to be more skeptical about the level of thought going into the views expressed.

  24. Spare us the flag waving wingnut “we love the troops garbage” already. Clearly Lew, you are the same type of individual that “support” the troops that murder innocent civilians in Iraq ie Haditha, gang rape Iraqi woman, and apparently men, in Abu Ghraib and elsewhere in Iraq, and hail those who shot and killed, then covered up the the wrongful killing of Pat Tillman. Hell man, you probably think that Mi Lai was a great mission. Were you there by any chance? All for the sake of the crown, buddy, all for the crown.

    P.S Yeah, what about Snow, Spector, Smith and every other Republican that are speaking out against our loosing occupation in Iraq. I know, I know, they are not REALLY Republicans. Please.

  25. Hi Lew: Yea Foxnews Channel has been playing that Video.

    The Democrats on it keep chanting

    Bye-bye,GI.In IRAQ YOU’RE GONNA DIE

    OVER AND OVER.

    I’m a shamed of the un-patriotc UN-AMERICAN Democratic Party.

    Ps Victoria: You are going to post this Video arn’t you??????

  26. I read elsewhere that someone emailed Potter about this and received a reply of words to the effect of Police did not want to step in and cause a confrontation, along with the normal “they are protected by freedom of speech.”

    Did you also note the ‘song?”

    Light a bonfire, light a bonfire, place the soldiers on the top,

    Put the fascists in the middle and burn the “F”in lot

    Leftists don’t admit, but these people are part of their charade.

  27. From the Portland Tribune, March 23, 2007 titled Rudeness mars peace message,

    Perhaps the most disturbing scene of the afternoon, however, involved the man who pulled down his pants in front of women and children and defecated on a burning U.S. flag. This disgusting act actually elicited cheers from some members of the crowd, but we hope that the emotion it produces in the community is one of revulsion.

    Also, in the comments section was the following;

    Editorial response:

    The specific acts discussed in the editorial were verified. There was a Tribune reporter at the march and a Tribune photographer took pictures of some of the acts described. The editorial itself, of course, is the opinion of the editorial board members, based on both the paper’s reporting and their own reporting.

    Connie Pickett
    Web editor
    LocalNewsDaily.com
    and PortlandTribune.com

  28. Says the 19 year-old photographer wo took the photos and posted them on her facebook website (and who says she took many more of peaceful portions of the protest and that she disagrees with the effigy stuff), “They’re twisting my pictures and misrepresenting what happened on that day.”

    The “they” is right winged conservative bloggers. Did she not think photos of that display would set people off?

    In commenting on this, the Oregonian seems almost proud that Portland received such National attention, even if for such a heinous display.

    Portland war protest photos light a fire on the Internet

  29. Linfield College Democrat Rachael Palinkas’said she posted to her Facebook site 240 photos from the peace rally and march that reportedly drew 15,000 people. Almost all of them showed “people laughing, talking, dancing, marching” at what she called a “family-friendly” event.

    Yea “The Oregonian” continue’s to defend the Socialist Left.

    Klatu Said: listening to the latest Video, I HEAR,
    BYE BYE GI, IN IRAQ YOUR GONNA DIE,

    THATS HARDLY “people laughing, talking, dancing, at what Democrat Rachael Palinkas called a “family-friendly” event.

    To me thats Democrat Hatred of “THE TROOPS” and “THE MILITARY”.
    I’ll probably find out Hanoi Jane FONDA was there also.

  30. These hateful democrats Build a bonfire
    Build a bonfire
    Put the soldiers on the top.
    Put the fascists in the middle,
    And, we’ll burn the f**king lot.”

    Ps A friend of mine said to me at Lunch:

    I wouldn’t blame the troops to hold up a banner saying
    F***THE DEMOCRATS.

    AND ALSO TO Burn a Donkey in effigy.

    Its to bad the troops during Vietnam weren’t able to respond to the Democrats back in the early 70’s.

  31. Ms Taft:
    The administration has acknowledged that no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, so rather undercuts the primary rationale for the war in Iraq. Now, we have many thousands of young men and women caught in a sectarian civil war, in which their very presence in the country exacerbates an already bad situation. After four years, the living situation in Iraq is at least as bad as it was when we first invaded.

    As an ex-military person, who served during the Vietnam Era, I find the whining about lack of support for the troops overdone to the point of silliness. The military serves to protect the rights of Americans. We really weren’t too upset when the Americans exercised those rights. Having been through the rigors of boot camp, AIT, and everything else in the military, I never felt I was crushed, or even badly hurt by what was going on in the civilian community.

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