tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post116361665974319368..comments2008-08-30T03:26:16.358-07:00Victoria Tafthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15566635810544426855noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1164074146130492332006-11-20T17:55:00.000-08:002006-11-20T17:55:00.000-08:002006-11-20T17:55:00.000-08:00

coboble,More or less yes when it comes to state funding calculations. Please remember foriegn students and out of state students pay full tuition. The Schools have a maximum number of students that their facilities and staff can handle in any given term.Outside of returning students the schools go by a first serve basis if all other student qualifications are equal. Some students admission may

Kodiakhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17176489183754026207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163891699320069682006-11-18T15:14:00.000-08:002006-11-18T15:14:00.000-08:002006-11-18T15:14:00.000-08:00

Victoria, I have given this some more thought. I have a few questions.In response to “And we should subsidize illegal aliens because????”, I ask this question:Why should we subsidize anyone (i.e. Legal Residents)? Kodiak,Are you saying that the total number of slots in our State Colleges, available for use by Oregon residents is LESS than the total number of slots? Do we pre-allocate some

coboblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10769346354490554857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163838956501668812006-11-18T00:35:00.000-08:002006-11-18T00:35:00.000-08:002006-11-18T00:35:00.000-08:00

"The college is not an "experimental school," but continues to seek more effective ways to present the subject matters of the liberal arts curriculum. - Reed Website"Never thought I'd see the day when the crowd around here is defending the rights of citizen students to attend such a "liberal" institution. I mean, wouldn't you rather have one of those coveted "open spots" filled with an evil

R_equals_BShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00617274288705154935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163828209341579862006-11-17T21:36:00.000-08:002006-11-17T21:36:00.000-08:002006-11-17T21:36:00.000-08:00

I don't know.(You guys all thought I would say YES, didn't you?).I am not for throwing him out of the country, but I don't know about the tuition break.He is very highly likely to become a tax paying citizen, but then so is whomever else gets that slot in college.

coboblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10769346354490554857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163822698603270252006-11-17T20:04:00.000-08:002006-11-17T20:04:00.000-08:002006-11-17T20:04:00.000-08:00

To me, in state tuition means that those who have LEGALLY resided in the state whatever the specified length of time is to establish residency are entitled to it.I see a presumption of first, satisfying the LEGAL precedence of residency. Someone in violation of the law is not a LEGAL resident, so they arenot entitled to in state tuition.They are entitled to a ride in the back of an I.C.E. van to

Lew Watershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422249750094117697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163821268563460392006-11-17T19:41:00.000-08:002006-11-17T19:41:00.000-08:002006-11-17T19:41:00.000-08:00

He's not a citizen.

Victoria Tafthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15566635810544426855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163815783993194022006-11-17T18:09:00.000-08:002006-11-17T18:09:00.000-08:002006-11-17T18:09:00.000-08:00

Somebody is not getting it. The foriegn students pay non-resident tuition (full tuition what it actually costs per student). If the subject student was not born here, how long he's been living in Oregon does not matter. If he wishes to apply for a student VISA and pay full tuition then he can go to school. Giving in-state tuition to illegals is a slap in the face of legal residents who work

Kodiakhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17176489183754026207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163808849891013392006-11-17T16:14:00.000-08:002006-11-17T16:14:00.000-08:002006-11-17T16:14:00.000-08:00

I am confused.Why do we need a new law to let him pay in state tuition?I think he can already pay in state tuition because he has lived here over 12 months and so have his parents. I see lots of foriegn students in college. If there is room for them there is room for this kid.

pal_rathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12929049263583100848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163808608058821992006-11-17T16:10:00.000-08:002006-11-17T16:10:00.000-08:002006-11-17T16:10:00.000-08:00

Victoria,In a previous comment I stated why in-state tuition should not be given to illegan aliens.Basically to give in-state tuition to illegals means someone else who is a citizen and a resident of Oregon being denied admission to one or more of the state supported universities and colleges. The State fixes the total number of in-state admissions that will receive state matching funds.

Kodiakhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17176489183754026207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163804125644586192006-11-17T14:55:00.000-08:002006-11-17T14:55:00.000-08:002006-11-17T14:55:00.000-08:00

In a single word NO !

TNRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14829683320304446733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163802787359968042006-11-17T14:33:00.000-08:002006-11-17T14:33:00.000-08:002006-11-17T14:33:00.000-08:00

So...how about the question at hand: Should Oregon offer in-state tuition to people who are not US citizens?Seems the thread got off track just a little...

Victoria Tafthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15566635810544426855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163785272391485092006-11-17T09:41:00.000-08:002006-11-17T09:41:00.000-08:002006-11-17T09:41:00.000-08:00

coboble,If you feel the law is wrong then work to have it changed through the appropriate channels. Don't just break it because it offens your sense of morality.You are just not getting it are you. I am not saying take in the homeless. Look they are coming through your front, back doors and windows. In fact you cannot keep them out. They are digging tunnels to get in. Others are helping

Kodiakhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17176489183754026207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163751374030466922006-11-17T00:16:00.000-08:002006-11-17T00:16:00.000-08:002006-11-17T00:16:00.000-08:00

Kodiak,No, I won't let the homeless in my back door, or through my window either. However, I will help to support the local homeless shelter, and will direct people there. I might even take someone in while they are on the shelter waiting list. The last time I took a family in, I let them live with me for 9 months. When I did kick them out, it was to the local homeless shelter, not to the

coboblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10769346354490554857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163750761163050122006-11-17T00:06:00.000-08:002006-11-17T00:06:00.000-08:002006-11-17T00:06:00.000-08:00

Lew,Yes, I do believe that God would desire that people provide for themselves. As far as doing so on their own land, I am not sure what land really belongs to whom. I don’t think that God wants the immigrant to break our laws, but I think that once they are here he wants me to treat them as I would a citizen.I am in favor of changing our immigration laws, and including amnesty. I am also for

coboblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10769346354490554857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163746149842281632006-11-16T22:49:00.000-08:002006-11-16T22:49:00.000-08:002006-11-16T22:49:00.000-08:00

Yes, I do understand the concept of enacting laws to define legal and illegal. I also understand the need to do this.However, the laws enacted are not always moral. My first preference is to change such laws. However, while they exist, I do not feel like I have to agree with enforcing them. If people blindly enforced all laws, and never challenged the morality of some laws, what would our laws

coboblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10769346354490554857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163726110479874502006-11-16T17:15:00.000-08:002006-11-16T17:15:00.000-08:002006-11-16T17:15:00.000-08:00

coboble,1) Do you equate all acts which are Illegal with all other acts which are Illegal? On a basic level yes. Are there acts that are more severe than other most definitly. Question for you where would you draw the line. Keep in mine the line position would be different for someone else.2) Do you think that anyone who does not do so, does not understand what “Illegal” means?Do you

Kodiakhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17176489183754026207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163724981970899332006-11-16T16:56:00.000-08:002006-11-16T16:56:00.000-08:002006-11-16T16:56:00.000-08:00

coboble,You do not wish for homeless people to stay in your home. You would not invite the homeless in through your front door and stay with you then how about if they come in through the back window instead?The United States and the State of Oregon is our home. Maybe it's not working out well what then?

Kodiakhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17176489183754026207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163701178410189452006-11-16T10:19:00.000-08:002006-11-16T10:19:00.000-08:002006-11-16T10:19:00.000-08:00

That bill sounds alot like the USA Dream Act, which would do the same nationally. If an American student from, say Ohio, can't get in-state tuition in Oregon, why should an illegal immigrant? That's putting non-citizens ahead of American citizens. It's not a racial issue, it's a fairness issue.

Anonymous Polhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17320723325513881554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163667640257722762006-11-16T01:00:00.000-08:002006-11-16T01:00:00.000-08:002006-11-16T01:00:00.000-08:00

If someone is hungry, God would not want them to trespass onto my land and steal my food. However, God would still want me to provide them with food (even if it is by giving them a way to earn their food), even if they did trespass onto my land.Not to be argumentative, but couldn't God desire them to provide food in their own land as well? Shouldn't it be upon their governments and citizens to

Lew Watershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422249750094117697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163665795219917642006-11-16T00:29:00.000-08:002006-11-16T00:29:00.000-08:002006-11-16T00:29:00.000-08:00

Angel I actually do agree with a lot of what you are saying.I don’t agree with everything, nor am I convinced that I am “wrong” (at least not yet.)I address some of your points (related to the quote “"...give to Caesar what is of Caesar and give to God what is of God..") in my response to Lew (above).I might address the other points tomorrow. Even where I disagree with you, I do not think your

coboblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10769346354490554857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163665321995052042006-11-16T00:22:00.000-08:002006-11-16T00:22:00.000-08:002006-11-16T00:22:00.000-08:00

Lew,I have some issues with Romans 13:1, in that I see examples of governments which I have a very hard time believing are established by God. And if they were, are those who have engaged in wars to over turn them breaking God‘s law? This country was formed based on rebellion against an existing Government, which involved breaking the laws of that Government. Even Jesus was breaking the law of

coboblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10769346354490554857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163657375193737212006-11-15T22:09:00.000-08:002006-11-15T22:09:00.000-08:002006-11-15T22:09:00.000-08:00

coboble,In light of this recent posting I would like to respond to you and other readers of this blog with my story. I came to oregon nine years ago. I have family in florida who requested us to come legally back in 1986, it took 12 years of waiting patiently in my home country before we could move here. Because my family wanted my siblings and I to learn the language quickly we came to oregon

angel_adrianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07137033584789374087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163655566177033942006-11-15T21:39:00.000-08:002006-11-15T21:39:00.000-08:002006-11-15T21:39:00.000-08:00

Coboble, like you, I have studied the bible in depth with various religions, both left and right. On teh surface your Leviticus scripture comes across as saying we should welcome everyone, regardless of matters.Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by

Lew Watershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422249750094117697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163651425271758742006-11-15T20:30:00.000-08:002006-11-15T20:30:00.000-08:002006-11-15T20:30:00.000-08:00

Kodiak,If you were really in need of food and/or shelter, I would help you, but not by letting you into my home. My experiences with taking in the homeless have never worked out well. I will not likely do this again. I admit to being selfish.

coboblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10769346354490554857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1163649755577284502006-11-15T20:02:00.000-08:002006-11-15T20:02:00.000-08:002006-11-15T20:02:00.000-08:00

Kodiak, I have heard this “What part of illegal do you not understand” argument before, pretty much worded exactly the same way with the same examples. This argument has been floating around for a long time, and people who hear it tend to repeat it. I wonder how much thought the argument is given before being repeated. So before I totally tear it apart, let me ask you a few questions. 1) Do

coboblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10769346354490554857noreply@blogger.com