tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post115342557308095497..comments2008-07-16T15:30:59.415-07:00Victoria Taft, 5pm-8pm KPAM 860noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1154151131928689752006-07-28T22:32:00.000-07:002006-07-28T22:32:00.000-07:002006-07-28T22:32:00.000-07:00

trr, I will agree that some will sell. Even when the family version comes out, some will sell. As for trip taking, most people can only afford one car. I feel they will be sorely disappointed if this one is their only one, for trips and such. Even tooling around town, I think they will have a hard time acheiving optimum peformance.Still, I give them credit for bringing electrics as this forward.

Lewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422249750094117697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1154036229087650982006-07-27T14:37:00.000-07:002006-07-27T14:37:00.000-07:002006-07-27T14:37:00.000-07:00

Sorry Lew, I missed the part about you being a mechanic.You're still stuck on the idea that the electricity costs will be high.I came up with about $4. Did you miss that? I guess I'd have to agree with you that it isn't a practical car for long trips. But what percentage of driving is long trips? For me, it's close to zero, and I suspect for a lot of people that's the case.You have some valid

trrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05432339037788264156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153557127980427572006-07-22T01:32:00.000-07:002006-07-22T01:32:00.000-07:002006-07-22T01:32:00.000-07:00

tnr, I realize that. But if you visit Teslas website, they show an entirely new style outlet that must be hard wired into your home by a licensed contractor. When away from home, who knows?As we have noted, 250 mile range is under optimum conditions. Most all of us never drive under optimum conditions.On their website, they are telling all to lobby their Representatives for an income tax

Lewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422249750094117697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153549607642198612006-07-21T23:26:00.000-07:002006-07-21T23:26:00.000-07:002006-07-21T23:26:00.000-07:00

Lew on most electric cars the special outlet is ths same plug in for your drier

TNRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13915295021998663396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153536109289920912006-07-21T19:41:00.000-07:002006-07-21T19:41:00.000-07:002006-07-21T19:41:00.000-07:00

trr, you seem to be a bit confused. First, I am not in sales. I am a technician, been twisting wrenches for over 40 years now. Never even tried to sell.Just plugging it in at night may be a bit more than you realize. Did you miss that it calls for a "special outlet?"Like I said before, it's going to be a great toy for puttering around town. Even the manufacturer states the range will be "

Lewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422249750094117697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153528988926754972006-07-21T17:43:00.000-07:002006-07-21T17:43:00.000-07:002006-07-21T17:43:00.000-07:00

Any guess how much 3 1/2 hours hooked up to a "SPECIAL 220V 70 amp outlet" will cost?No need to guess. You can calculate it. Based on the national average of $0.085/kW-hr, I get less than $4. Hmmm, $4 for my weeks commuting vs. $40 for a fill-up of regular. Plus, no waiting in line. Hook it up before you go to bed, and it's recharged in the morning.No wonder lew is in car sales - He certainly

trrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05432339037788264156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153522661142073882006-07-21T15:57:00.000-07:002006-07-21T15:57:00.000-07:002006-07-21T15:57:00.000-07:00

gullyborg hits it on the head. Moore's law will definitely play a large role in the development of this technology. How quickly depends on how much cash there is to throw at it.In my opinion, any and all alternative fuel solutions should pay attention to their possible pollution contribution, but should focus on ending our dependence on foreign fossil fuel.(two great posts by gullyborg, btw)

R_equals_BShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00617274288705154935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153518661917255702006-07-21T14:51:00.000-07:002006-07-21T14:51:00.000-07:002006-07-21T14:51:00.000-07:00

Party affiliation has nothing to do with this issue (one would think / hope).It's new technology, and like all new technologies, it's only going to get cheaper and more accessible over time. You have to start somewhere, right?This is a VERY cool thing, and I hope the project evolves into something that can benefit all of us sometime soon.

iknowhowtospellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18282748581054111426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153513933766096582006-07-21T13:32:00.000-07:002006-07-21T13:32:00.000-07:002006-07-21T13:32:00.000-07:00

What's more:After re-reading the article and focusing not on the car but on the business model, the design process, etc., all I can say isWOW.This company is going places. The battery technology is driven by the computer industry which tends to double performance and half the cost every 18 months. I can see these folks marketing a large truck or SUV with a 500+ mile range that plugs into a

Gullyborghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09788412269746084533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153513275375323892006-07-21T13:21:00.000-07:002006-07-21T13:21:00.000-07:002006-07-21T13:21:00.000-07:00

Would I like a car that can go 0-60 in 3 seconds?YESWould I like a car that can do that with virtually no NOISE (an oft neglected benefit to purely electric cars)?YESWould I pay that much money for it?NOIf the price could be cut in half, and if they could guarantee 5 years/50K miles before the batteries are too degraded to give a full charge, and if they could guarantee that the cost to replace

Gullyborghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09788412269746084533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153510698581724862006-07-21T12:38:00.000-07:002006-07-21T12:38:00.000-07:002006-07-21T12:38:00.000-07:00

Uh, Khaldun, did you somehow miss the quotes I posted from the article? If I quote from it, there's a reasonable chance I actually read it.The car will be a nice toy for some to play around town with, but for a family sedan, it won't work well.As tnr brings out, the cycles for the batteries will be about 500. Batteries haven't gotten very cheap and even the article itself claims the sedan model

Lewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422249750094117697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153499770713864312006-07-21T09:36:00.000-07:002006-07-21T09:36:00.000-07:002006-07-21T09:36:00.000-07:00

Guys You need to go to this web sight . They will tell you that the range is going to be less , the range is figured the same way that the epa sets it for gas cars. The biggest draw back that I see is the batteries . Only 500 cycles than its time to replace them. and the cost on other cars is around 35k for li-ion batteries . all that aside I would still like to have one I think it would

TNRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13915295021998663396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153495999590170202006-07-21T08:33:00.000-07:002006-07-21T08:33:00.000-07:002006-07-21T08:33:00.000-07:00

Dang slew, did your dog die this week or something?You're rather hostile to a simple suggestion you actually read about the car. You're the one asking all the questions that are answered in the article..Although you claim my opinion on the subject, and that I'm "lecturing you on cars," you might re-read my comments and notice I've done neither. That's the problem with being a "shoot first, ask

R_equals_BShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00617274288705154935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153455843121575292006-07-20T21:24:00.000-07:002006-07-20T21:24:00.000-07:002006-07-20T21:24:00.000-07:00

Okay, Khaldun, a couple of points from your precious article, just to show you why this is a boondoggle.Way down towards the end, we read; When connected to a special 220-volt, 70-amp outlet, recharging takes about three and a half hours.A "SPECIAL 220V 70 amp outlet?" Then, 3 1/2 hours? Any guess how much 3 1/2 hours hooked up to a "SPECIAL 220V 70 amp outlet" will cost?Another significant point

Lewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422249750094117697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153454862623529132006-07-20T21:07:00.000-07:002006-07-20T21:07:00.000-07:002006-07-20T21:07:00.000-07:00

Duh, Khaldun, I don't have to read any articles. I've been a mechanic for well over 40 years now and have seen these miracle cars come and go.Odd how you will buy anything an electric car manufacturer will tell you, but deny things said by Republicans, even though they stare you in the face.Manufacturers of new items always glorify their wares to sell them. Next thing you know, they'll be trying

Lewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422249750094117697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153449434007016842006-07-20T19:37:00.000-07:002006-07-20T19:37:00.000-07:002006-07-20T19:37:00.000-07:00

"It takes me mere minutes to refil the gas tank on my truck. How long will it take to recharge some 6800 batteries every 250 miles, on flat land?"Read the article, you might find out..

R_equals_BShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00617274288705154935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153445018292125592006-07-20T18:23:00.000-07:002006-07-20T18:23:00.000-07:002006-07-20T18:23:00.000-07:00

Khaldun, you would do well to have 40 years in the automotive trade yourself before lecturing me on cars. I've been listening to claims about all these miracle cars for years and yet, every year we receive the same old internal combustion engined cars.If you think this car is the answer, by all means, cough up the $80,000 and buy one. I'll laugh at you as I pass you going up hill as your

Lewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422249750094117697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153444600659053972006-07-20T18:16:00.000-07:002006-07-20T18:16:00.000-07:002006-07-20T18:16:00.000-07:00

slew, you'd do yourself well to actually read, at least, the Wired article about the car.

R_equals_BShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00617274288705154935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153442036296719612006-07-20T17:33:00.000-07:002006-07-20T17:33:00.000-07:002006-07-20T17:33:00.000-07:00

Don't trust that 250 mile range. That would be on level ground under ideal conditions. In hilly areas like Portland and many other communisties, going uphill takes more power and significantly reduces range.Another matter to think of is the recharging of over 6800 batteries. It takes electricity to recharge them and it must come from somewhere. The extra electricty that must be produced to

Lewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422249750094117697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153440543703809032006-07-20T17:09:00.000-07:002006-07-20T17:09:00.000-07:002006-07-20T17:09:00.000-07:00

had a toaster that looked just like that car back in ought-73. It worked just fine 'til we put bread in it. The batteries tasted pretty good, though.

BEARhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16562469498541438904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16945570.post-1153440268281514512006-07-20T17:04:00.000-07:002006-07-20T17:04:00.000-07:002006-07-20T17:04:00.000-07:00

Why don't you think it'll work?Cuz it goes for $80k?It'll come down, and they'll make cheaper models. It goes from 0-60 mph in like THREE seconds. Silently. It's designed by LOTUS. 250 miles on a charge. That's what killed the GM electric car. it only went about 100 miles on a charge.People will pay for it.The Li-ion batteries you're worried about?These guys are in Silicon Valley. They're well

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