Senator Barack Obama's own effort at Operation Chaos, encouraging Republican's and Independents to vote for him in the primary's.
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Monday, March 31, 2008
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However his reason is not to cause chaos, but to get real supporters from the Republican and Independent parties.
Doesn't change the fact that he too is asking people to change parties for the primary in Ohio.
He wants to defeat Hillary and we want to defeat him.
Six of one, half a dozen of another.
Good luck with that Lew; you and McCain will need all the 'luck' you & the disastrous GOP can muster. What's the Vegas line?
Bush is the worst President in history and every GOP economic policy has repeatedly and historically proven to be a failure.
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."--John Kenneth Galbraith
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
Sure didn't take long to bring Bush into this, did it?
Hate to tell you w7dah (and whoever else you are), but Bush has nothing to do with this mailer or Operation Chaos.
Seek treatment.
Get use to it. Bush is going to be brought into the general election alot. What with McLame wanting to be Bush 3 and fight in Iraq for 100 years we are going to hear much about the last 8 years and John Sidney McCain's part in it. You should be happy though as it will give you the opportunity to expound on all of Bush's
"successes".
W7, You said that Bush is the worst president in history. Have you forgotten about Jimmy Carter? He was the worst president in history with the possible exception of Woodrow Wilson.
But liberals usually "forget" (read ignore) what they don't want to acknowledge or hear or even think about.
JD Dollar,
You're banned from the blog.
Forever.
Victoria
Good post, Lew, btw.
Well, Iago, there's many successes to consider with Bush. So many, in fact, that there's no space for all of them! But his biggest accomplishment could possibly be that he's succeeded in inducing plenty of Democrats and liberals to say stupid things in opposition to him, often irrationally. And this Bush hate was so bad that it won him the 2004 election. What phenomenon, other that a mindless "anybody but Bush" movement, could have made John Kerry the Democratic nominee?
Then again, no one yet knows what phenomenon resulted in John McCain becoming the third Democratic competitor for the presidency either.
I for one am glad Kerry was not elected. He would have probably messed things up in Iraq.
Under what definition of "disaster" does Bush qualify, pray tell?
I guess Matt doesn't read much. Several Democrats nationwide have said they will vote for McCain if their candidate doesn't get the Dems nomination.
Boy, and they say Republicans are divided.
Bush is a disaster in the eyes of many given:
1. an unpopular and unnecessary war
2. erosion of civil liberties
3. a gigantic deficit
4. a looming recession / depression
5. Katrina
6. his complete lack of belief in science
7. poor international skills
8. 1+ year of vacation during "wartime"
9. poor communicator
10. cronyism
There's more, of course ...
1. an unpopular and unnecessary war
Unpopular? Yes, thanks to the constant undermining by the very Democrats who voted for it.
Unnecessary? Pure conjecture on your part.
2. erosion of civil liberties
Please list specifically which civil liberties you have personally lost.
3. a gigantic deficit
American Budget Deficit Falls To Lowest Level in Five Years
4. a looming recession / depression
Looming? Why did it take six years of constant harping to bring it about? Depression? Not hardly.
5. Katrina
Nagin, Blanco and over 500 unused buses flooded out in the New Orleans Bus Yard.
6. his complete lack of belief in science
You mean Embryonic Stem Cell Research, which has shown no gains so far, while adult stem cell research, which he supports, has shown much gain.
Or, the Goregasmic cry of Global Warming, which many scientists insist isn't true?
7. poor international skills
You mean, not letting the disUnited nations rule America and destroy our soverignty?
8. 1+ year of vacation during "wartime"
"The Marines are at war, America is at the mall"
Hate to tell you, but no president ever gets a real vacation, they only get to get away from the White House itself, with the Nuclear Football and aides constantly nearby.
9. poor communicator
Poor public speaker, yes, but in private, those he speaks to understands his communications easily.
Besides, glib speakers have a habit of misleading nations.
10. cronyism
You mean, like Clinton filled top slotswith his and Hillary's personal friends? Think Travelgate, for beginners.
Better try next time.
You too, Matt:
Poll: Democrats Might Vote McCain if Their Candidate Isn’t the Nominee
Polls: McCain strong in key Dem states
Just imagine how much better it would be if the GOP put forth a decent candidate.
Ah ah ah ah Lew! The great thing, Lew? You guys are putting forth the best candidate you got. McCain is better than the rest of the field by far. And he's going to redefine the meaning of the word fail.
Let's go down the list of the Republican hopefuls: Romney? A plastic fantastic robot. Smart guy, but stiff and creepy. Rudy Guiliani? That guy was packing more baggage than LAX. Thompson? A narcoleptic statue. Tancredo? Heheheh. Wow. Duncan Hunter? I loved the book 1984, I'd really rather it didn't become the President. Mike Huckabee is really the only guy in your field who seemed like a reasonable person, and he got torpedoed and crapped on by his party as soon as they figured out he actually did read the Bible, as opposed to pretending to read it like all the rest. Unelectable because the RNC willed it so. And then we come to good old Ron Paul. An adorable little guy. Sort of a Ross Perot for the 21st century. He has a blimp! And he hates the federal government! And the gold standard! He's flat wrong, and looks like a kook. He does happen to be a smart, principled man. And as electable as Blackie Lawless from the hair-metal band WASP.
Consider this, Lew: 28% of Clinton supporters voting for McCain makes sense when the poll was taken, but you see, Lew...we're not electing a president next week. We're electing a president...1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 months from now. That's about 210 days! Clinton's support base is shrinking, and it will shrink to the size of a pinprick once Obama has the nomination, and her rabid supporters have the air let out of their sails. Wasn't but a few months ago that Hillary Clinton was all but clinched for the nomination! The electorate's temperament might change in eight months, wouldn't you agree? Feel free to hope against hope, America loves a lost cause. McCain makes an adorable grandpa, and a decent senator, but people just are not going to come out in starry-eyed droves to vote for that sleepy, mumbly guy in November.
Regarding stem cells: stem cell research in general is in its infancy. I'm not sure how long you've been on these here internets, but I was a kid hacking around on bulletin board systems in 1988. At 300 baud, using X-modem protocols, watching text crawl across the screen, playing door games. In twenty years, the world has been transformed forever by the internet. Imagine 20 years of stem cell research. If we'd listened to guys like you about hasty results, we'd have never landed on the moon. Lew needs a cure tomorrow! Who knows what else we would have failed to accomplish if Lew were in charge? Let's see...who do I trust? Lew? or the great scientists of this fair nation? Gosh. Tough choice. I suppose it's far more moral to just dispose of embryonic tissue rather than study it. Hiding from knowledge is very important and very Republican!
Iknow,
I will have to go with you. Lew did not lay a glove on your top 10.
Iknow,
I have to go with you. Lew did not lay a glove on your top 10.
Keith, think about that.
Victoria, think about what Keith said (related to Bush).
Now remember back to 12th grade, what was the main reason, Mrs Ayers mentioned, for NOT engaging in negative political advertising?
Lew,
I may disagree with you, depending on overall motive.
IF the goal is to gain supporters who will vote for Obama in the primary AND general election, then it is NOT in the same moral realm as those being urged to vote Democratic for the reasons proposed by operation Chaos.
In fact I would separate it into two groups:
1) Vote for a candidate because you support them, and want them to win.
2) Vote for other reason, while not wanting the candidate you vote for to win.
I'm going to cut comments for brevity. Please keep them shorter or I will enable comment moderator again.
Matt...go blog on that other guy's website.
Speaking of cutting comments out, sorry for posting my response to Lew three times - I wrote it up as Victoria was changing the posting policy, apparently, and didn't catch on to what was up, so I kept back-paging and re-submitting.
Though I certainly feel it was a post worthy of reading three times, I only meant to post it once :)
Think about WHAT, eileen? If you're going to reccommend I take something to heart, it'd be wise to point out just what you're referring to. And, as a matter of curiousity, what do any of my comments have to do with negative political advertising?
iknowhowtospell, concerning your comments about civil liberties, I'd like to point out that habeas corpus hasn't been suspended or killed in any fashion. Those who wish to invoke habeas corpus and are being ignored are those who do not have the inherant right to invoke it; it's a moot point. As to the warrentless wiretapping, the wiretapping that was done without a warrent was that wiretapping that didn't require it, the assertions of the Democrats notwithstanding.
By the way, I liked your caveat when replying to Lew about the neccessity of the Iraq war... you specified that it's not neccessary under the terms that the administration set forth which is a reasonable position to take, albeit one that I may not wholly agree with.
As to #4, it's worth noting that the standard definition of a recession is 6 months of downturn. It is therefore not wholly correct to allege a recession until it meets the definition. Frankly, food and gas prices aren't really an economic phenomenon but a governmental snafu phenomenon. Food prices are going up... as the government destroys millions of tons of foodstuffs every year to keep them high and the greenies are crying for ethanol which diverts corn production and raises the cost of food associated with corn (livestock and the corn humans eat, for example). Gas prices are partly a trade phenomenon, partly an economic phenomenon... but doncha think it's at least a little credible to assert that if we had a bigger supply of domestic oil and could efficiently process that oil into gasoline with more refining capacity, the price of gasoline would go down? I think so... and guess what entity stands in the way of that happening. *holds up a photograph of the Capitol Building*
Finally, as to references to Clinton... what precisely is that out of bounds? Let's look at who the last Democrat in the White House was... oh, look... it was a gentleman named Bill Clinton. So it seems legitimate to compare Bush to his immediate predecessor (a Democrat), doesn't it? And yes, thank heavens people stood up to Bush over Harriet Myers and yes, it'd be wonderful if the Republicans had fielded a decent presidential candidate (for the purposes of this discussion, McCain is emphatically NOT a decent candidate).
Eileen said: 2. Vote for other reason, while not wanting the candidate you vote for to win.
Klatu said: Eileen this is what 98% of Print Page Liberal Fishwrappers do with there "endorsments" of Republicans
in Primaries and General Elections.
And this tactic has been happening longer then our Parents have been alive. Your Paper the Corvallis Gazette Times is always endorsing Republicans in Primaries and General Elections who they CAN'T STANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD and wouldn't think of voting for ever. I don't need to say anything about "THE ZERO". The Left has been using OPERATION CHAOS tactics for at least a Century probably longer. Obama's just doing what the Dems have always done.
So I apologized for the two extra identical posts that I didn't mean to add to this thread ... and then had ALL versions of it deleted.
I don't know why I bother.
I'm trying to post something useful, and it takes time to try to make a point ... then they just magically disappear, "potty language" or not (there was none, for those who didn't read it).
I give up.
Is this not a place for free discussion? If I'm just going to be deleted for no good reason, let me know and I'm gone.
There's no point in replying if it's just going to disappear anyway.
That would be unfortunate, iknowhowtospell. You're the only rational spokesman I've seen for your side on this blog. So yeah, Victoria... what is behind his posts getting removed repeatedly? I've yet to see him do alot of swearing and insulting.
Dear Keith,
Here's the email I sent to I know in response to his comment:
"yeah..I made a mistake. Sorry.
I notice you only come back when the comments are unmoderated, however. Keep it clean, will ya?"
I made a mistake.
Thanks for asking.
Victoria
Fair enough, my friend.
These "mistakes" sure do seem to happen to me quite a bit, it seems. It must be some sort of amazing coincidence.
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