Monday, August 06, 2007

Should We Pay for Illegal Aliens to Take English Lessons?

A liberal migration group says, 'why, yes, you should!'
From the Zero!

Communities nationwide are failing to keep pace with a swelling demand among immigrants for English classes, a national study has found. And unless the investment in English instruction quadruples to an estimated $4 billion each year for the next six years, the widening language gap could prove costly for tomorrow's taxpayers.
The [(Liberal) Migration Policy Institute] institute estimates that an additional $200 million a year for the next six years should be spent to help 5.8 million legal immigrants speak English well enough to pass citizenship tests and to assimilate socially. In addition, about $2.9 billion a year for the next six years should be spent to help 6.4 million illegal immigrants to achieve proficiency.
For state Rep. Linda Flores, R-Clackamas, investing in adult English education hinges on one question: Is the person in the country legally? If so, Oregon should encourage and support English learning. If not, taxpayers should not be expected to pay to teach illegal immigrants English, she said.
If you can't pay to learn English should you be allowed to emigrate here? There are DOZENS of community colleges, private institutions, private tutors to teach English. English is the language of success. Should we allow people who can't make it emigrate here?

11 comments:

Lew Waters said...

If here illegally, I don't see why we should pay for anything for them, except maybe a bus ticket back home.

If any wish to come here legally, like the young Korean boy I work with, I'm all for helping them.

What is so hard about following the law, as citizens the world over are expected to do?

In the case of our Southern neighbors, if they expended half the energy they use getting her and avoiding detection on correcting their own government and ending its corruption, we might end up having to sneak over the border for better pay down there.

iago said...

"Should We Pay for Illegal Aliens to Take English Lessons?

Absolutely not.

We shouldn't even have to pay for Bush to take English lessons.

Victoria Taft said...

Someone emailed these comments to me:
Forget learning English. We need to learn Spanish so we can communicate
with the police in the future.

In Canby, the new gang Mecca, the signs in the court, (where the gang
members actually now fight) are in Spanish far larger than English.
Same with the police station.

The take over is almost complete. Learn Spanish.

Victoria Taft said...

Iago,
Have a little compassion, Bush is dyslexic.

coboble said...

The time when US citizens will be sneaking over the border, to get jobs in Mexico (and Canada) may not be that far away.

So do learn Spanish, I highly recommend it.

We are becoming a dual language society. The language is evolving. The kids in my neighborhood often speak a mix of English and Spanish within a single sentence, and they understand each other.
The kids who lived with me a few years ago were learning Spanish in primary school, by being in a dual language program at school. They were picking up Spanish way faster than I did taking it in high school.

The new language will soon be a combination of Spanglish (for the spoken word) and acronyms (the fewer letters the better) as the written language.

The best way to learn a new language is complete immersion anyway, not classes.
But how expensive can a class be?
I think it is a trivial issue, and there are far bigger wastes of our tax dollars.
I think the dollar amounts mentioned in the article are way too high, and it baffles me that it should really cost that much.
I bet volunteer programs could be set up, where people volunteer to do the teaching.
Perhaps a program where College and High School kids, who are learning Spanish themselves, help immigrants learn English.
It doesn't need to cost millions of dollars.

Scottiebill said...

I have no plans to learn Spanish or Spanglish or any of the other bastardized versions of it. We English speaking American citizens, born and raised here in the U.S, are becoming second-class citizens, thanks to the likes of Hillary, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Potter, Teddy the K, Guillermo Bradbury, and all the others too numerous to mention here. It is going to have to stop NOW, with some effort from the politicians (and we know when that will happen) or there will be another civil war that will make the one 145 years ago look like a Sunday school picnic. As much as we don't want that to happen, it will happen unless the powers-that- be do something positive toward that end (and not like the unprecedented fiasco in the U.S. House last week). Then, and only then, will Pelosi and Steny Hoyer and Murtha the EX-Marine(not former) be given the boot. And that cannot happen soon enough!

Lew Waters said...

Our country will only change to Spanish, or Spanglesh, if you will, if we allow it by coddling those who break our laws and keep granting them special rights and privileges that even taxpaying citizens do not have.

Political Correctness has brought this one us, as well as we are all too busy to take a stand. For our lack of action, a 15 year old American girl lies dead at the hands of two Illegals.

coboble said...

Well no one has managed to stop the language from changing in the past, it has always been in a state of change. Foreign words have been creeping into the language for a very long time.
But now that I think about it, there are way too many words in the language.
It would be easier for all of us if there were fewer words.
Therefore I think we should start cleansing the language of all but the necessary words.
If there are multiple words for the same thing, only the oldest word (or should we pick the shortest) should be allowed to remain.

Lew Waters said...

Foreign words and even slang creeping into our language is one thing. The wholesale changing of it to another language is an all together different matter.

If we enter any other country we are expected to communicate in their language. Here, if Illegals storm our borders, we cater to them and demand we speak theirs, so they are more comfortable.

That is truly upside down and backwards.

By this line of reasoning, we should expect the Iraqis and Afghans to be learning our language so they can communicate with our Troops.

coboble said...

When I was in France, I had no problem finding people who spoke enough English to help me out (I spoke no French).
I had the same experience in Japan (although here it was more difficult).

Many countries cater to those who speak English.
We are one of the few industrialized nations where the kids are not expected to learn multiple languages starting at a young age.
I think it is good for our young people to be bi-lingual.

I am not in favor of spending government money to fund English education for adult immigrants (legal or otherwise).
I am for having the dual language programs in our schools.

It is usually the next generation, not the generation which immigrates, which adopts the language and culture.

Lew Waters said...

When I was in Germany, Italy and even Viet Nam, I also found English speaking people, at the hotels and tourist sites. In the case of Viet Nam, few spoke English and we communicated in a sort of pigeon English. But, in Europe we could find English speakers at tourist sites.

Away from there, we were expected to speak at least a little of the language.

I have no problem with bilingualism and agree, it does better a person. But, that is a voluntary education, not mandated that our native language becomes a second language while theirs becomes primary.

If we go down that road, just how many languages will be mandated our kids learn. Surely they can be expected to stop at Spainish?

Should they be required to learn the languages of all who may come here, legally or illegally?

We can allow our big national hearts to be exloited against us to our detriment.