Tuesday, March 06, 2007

VOTE FOR LIBBY PARDON NOW. Scooter Libby is Guilty of...Lying to Reporters and Not Remembering?

VOTE HERE.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Scooter Libby Trial is to law what Seinfeld was to TV-- a trial about nothing. Bob Novack who was told by State's Bush hata Richard Armitage concurs here.

Rich Lowry of National Review has the spot on analysis, "this is a classic case of criminalizing politics."

Libby's attorneys say they will file a motion for a new trial.

**Addition on Thursday with a thanks to Andy. Read this article from Bill Gertz from 2004 about Valerie Plame's identity. It means very little now but is instructive to the clowns who persist in the fiction that Plame was "classified" (as Fitzgerald put it--which means nothing by the way) or "covert" (the correct term).


Here's some of the info from the trial:
WASHINGTON - Former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby was convicted Tuesday of obstruction, perjury and lying to the FBI in an investigation into the leak of a CIA operative’s identity.
Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, was accused of lying and obstructing the investigation into the 2003 leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity to reporters.
He was acquitted of one count of lying to the FBI.

He wasn't accused of leaking Valerie Plame's identity because that was no crime. He was convicted of telling one story to the FBI and Grand Jury that differed from the stories told by reporters. Very strange. Consistently the reporters called in this case couldn't remember details of their meetings with LIbby and others but Libby wasn't allowed the same dispensation by the jury. In fact the jury in this case at one point asked the judge if it was against the law to lie to a journalist. This is the point on which Judge Andrew Napolitano says Libby's attorney could appeal because it appears the jurors were confused.

Senator Harry Reid says the verdict proves the White House manipulated intelligence on the war. That wasn't at issue here and of course Reid makes a political leap to make that point, a point which has been thoroughly debunked. In fact it's clear that the person who made the allegation about the veracity of the intelligence, Joe Wilson, the man who really outed his wife, Valerie Plame, was the person who had lied about the yellow cake. See previous posts here and here and here and here and here


Victoria Toensing, the former prosecutor and author of the law under which Libby was found guilty, says the jury's decision was not consistent vis a vis differing stories Libby told to FBI and Grand Jury.

Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald says (and these are practically direct quotes) the truth is what drives the judicial system and if someone knowingly tells a lie under oath then it's a serious matter. The nature of any person telling a lie to a grand jury and to have an important figure do that on a matter of national security makes it unacceptable. He says he does not expect to file any further charges.

Interestingly political that answer is. An issue of national security? The status of Valerie Plame was never brought up in trial because she wasn't "outed" as a CIA agent and so there was no national security concern. From the git go Fitzgerald knew the leaker was Bush hata Richard Armitage who was part of the calcified apparatus at foggy bottom. No charges against him were brought because leaking Valerie Plame's identity wasn't a crime. Joe Wilson had also been outed as a liar on the yellow cake issue.

Libby was convicted of "misremembering" discussions with reporters to the FBI and the Grand Jury. It was a case of dueling memories on an issue of an inconsequential nature.

Late ad: Fitzgerald says Plame's status was "classified" and about that there is no dispute. Why didn't he bring this as part of the case, then? Because the only thing that matters was if she was COVERT (under cover) and of course she wasn't. THAT'S the real national security issue, isn't it?

The Jury member said "there was a tremendous amount of sympathy for Mr. Libby but we kept asking ourselves 'where's Rove?' We felt Libby was a fall guy. We never saw any evidence that [Vice President] Cheney told him what to say.
"We thought hey we might see President Bush here!"
On the issue of Libby not testifying the juror said, "We had eight hours of grand jury testimony from Libby it was good."
It's been noted that this juror, Denis Collins is a journalist and the author of a book called
Spying: The Secret History of History. How did he get on the jury again? A JOURNALIST when journalists are part and parcel of the story? An author of a SPY BOOK when part of the trial was about a purported SPY?

From the AP: Libby's defense team said he learned about plame from Cheney, forgot about it, then learned it against a month later from NBC newsman Tim Russert. Anything he told reporters about Plame, Libby said, was just chatter and rumors, not official government information.

Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said that was a lie. But Libby's defense team had argued that it would be unfair to convict Libby in a case where so many witnesses changed their stories or had memory problems.

What was the crime again?

Check out Mark Levin's reaction here. Hear Mark Levin on KPAM AM 860 3-5pm right before my show. Here's a nugget:
This morning the jury didn't understand two of the counts. Yesterday it didn't understand what was meant by reasonable doubt. Let me suggest that in the end it still didn't understand the two counts or reasonable doubt.
There has been considerable damage done to traditional Justice Department procedures, the free press, and the political system by this nothing-burger of a case.

And of course Mark's right. There's been a serious blow dealt to journalists. Who will ever want to be a source for anything ever again?

What happens if you lie to a grand jury? David Frum has some real life examples here.

45 comments:

Klatu said...

Tell President Bush to Pardon Mr. Libby 1-202-456-1111

Ps When is Sandy Burgler
Reporting to Jail?????

PPs If your ever in Court, make
sure that Socialist Liberals
"ARE NOT ON THE JURY".

Fizziwigg said...

Today proved the critical importance of politically-independent prosecutors.
Had Patrick Fitzgerald not been on the Libby case, would he have been the ninth U.S. Attorney fired?

Victoria Taft said...

And if he was so what? Clinton fired ALLLLL the US Attorneys when he took over. What's the big deal?

Klatu said...

When is Sandy Burgler
Reporting to Jail?????

Fire US Liberal Socialist Attorneys. Not a bad Idea!
Of course I'd like to see
alot of "Leach on the Taxpayer"
Public Sector workers
relocated to say----WAL-MART

Cramdown said...

Don't worry righties. Bush will pardon and/or award Libby the Medal of Freedon. Anyway, it takes the attention off of Walter Reed, Bush's new Katrina.

Victoria Taft said...

I'm all for pardoning Libby. After all, he didn't do anything.

Cramdown said...

If he did not do anything, pray tell why we had a Bush Administration appointee prosecuting him"

nimlo said...

Juror: "Where's Rove...Where are the other guys...Libby was the fall guy."

Loyalingrate said...

Thank you, Mr. Fitzgerald!!!!!!!
And thanks to the jury for doing their duty as citizens.

Victoria Taft said...

Cramdown: ans: to look even handed.

R_equals_BS said...

"And if he was so what? Clinton fired ALLLLL the US Attorneys when he took over. What's the big deal?"

Clinton was not able to appoint new attorneys without senate approval.

Klatu said...

what an injustice to the jury system. Next time Trials should be Moved to "UTAHHHHHHHHHH".

Liberals - Gloating are we, just like a political Victory AAAAAAA.
Just love to sick your Liberal Hitmen on Political oponents.
The Corks are popping at the DNC.
Real Compassionate Bleeding hearts.
The Liberal Media sinks even more.

Does Fitzgerald have libby's head on his wall already??
Or is Libby's head at the DNC"S???

Sean Hannity's Radio show is pretty good.
ANN COULTER will be on soon.
Are you listening COMMUNISTSSSSSSS.

Klatu said...

nimlo said...
Juror: "Where's Rove...Where are the other guys...Libby was the fall guy."

And the Jurors point???

Did someone Break into the Watergate?

Did Rove or ?? allow hookers
to teach in Oregon public schools??

Did Rove or ??? help unions go after a Teachers union dues in
Vancouver Washington???

Where's HALIBURTONNNNNNNNNNNN

MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
did Rove or ???? get caught shopping at
WAL-MARTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Did Rove or ?? get caught driving his
OIL BASED GAS GUSLING SUV, WHILE BUYING FURS AT
SCHUMACHERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

OR DID ROVE OR ??? GET CAUGHT
WATERING THERE LAWN IN THE COUNTRY OF MULTNOMAH

ITS THE ENDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
WERE ALL DUMEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

treechopper said...

Klatu, you are still making us look bad with your juvenile tyrades with no fact, just redundant simple minded attacks on people for not believing the exact same thing as you do. America is the land of the free, free to believe what we want and say it out loud, you are free to say what you want, but be warned, you are associating with a larger group of political minded people that want you to change the way you present your points.

treechopper said...

It sure is nice to know noone is having oral sex affairs in the white house anymore. Much better to have corruption cases all around you than in your own pants. Isnt that what Bush resolved to do? Clean up the white house? But all the ground around it is still pretty sleazy,and thats why I dont vote Republican anymore which makes the Republicans look bad in my opinion. And before I get called a Socialist, remember, I do believe in free market economy. Dont bother with the liberal comments, they wouldnt listen to any of my anti abortion, pro-gun arguments any more than Rudi Guiliani

Mongo7 said...

Clinton was impeached and forfeited his legal license for a time. Berger pled guilty, was sentenced and served the sentence he received.

This jury did what it was charged to do. They were methodical and careful in their decision. Mr. Libby committed the SAME crime as Mr. Clinton; lied under oath. I find it both hilarious and infuriating that Bush/Cheney/Rove supporters spent years running around with their hair on fire screaming about Clinton's crime of lying under oath but yet they attempt to excuse Mr. Libby for doing the same.

threlfeld said...

With the vice president's office being completely discredited today and the Administration using the justice department for political purposes, we are now officially in Nixon territory.

treechopper said...

Criminalizing politics? how about political criminal getting caught, I dont vote Republican anymore because we all had our head in the sand for too long. Any how many members of the Bush administration work for Nixon?

Tromatic said...

Cramdown said...
"Don't worry righties. Bush will pardon and/or award Libby the Medal of Freedon. Anyway, it takes the attention off of Walter Reed, Bush's new Katrina."

Is there anything that is not Bush's fault, or did history begin when he was elected?

Congress controls that budget, and Walter Reed has been underfunded since it hit the BRAC list. Sort of like what the Dems want to do to the rest of the military.

"It's Bush's fault" is becoming the universal excuse, replacing racism as the all-purpose reason for failure.

Klatu said...

HEMPCHOPPER: Where can we send you a Democrat National Committee CARD??????

iknowhowtospell said...

Are you all doubting the our legal system?

America haters!

Disgusting.

Klatu said...

iknowhowtospell said...
Are you all doubting the our legal system?

Klatu said: Liberals are American haters! AINO'S

and yes if the trial is obviously Political, and all Jurors are Socialist Liberal AMERICA HATERS.
Tshis Crap is going to Stopppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

Cramdown said...

Tromatic, How much more evidence does it take before you and the entire country seea this administration for the complete incompetent and corrupt failure that it is.

Support the troops! Indeed!!!

Tromatic said...

Cramdown said...
"Tromatic, How much more evidence does it take before you and the entire country seea this administration for the complete incompetent and corrupt failure that it is.
Support the troops! Indeed!!!"

Please just go ahead and blame Bush, and explain how it's his fault Libby was convicted. Oh well. This will all come back to you in 08.

Cramdown said...

Add them up. We witness another horrifying suicide bombing in Iraq, murdering dozens of Shiite pilgrims. There is damning evidence that U.S. attorneys were leaned on by Republicans before the elections to bring cases against some Democrats - and the ones who refused were then fired. The vice-president's closest aide has been found guilty of perjury over whether he and his boss tried to discredit a critic in the summer of 2003 with respect to pre-war WMD intelligence. The guiltier parties - Rove and Armitage and Cheney - are still in power. We now see shameful neglect of injured veterans under the very noses of the defense secretary. Any one of these stories individually is damaging. Together, they exert a hurricane-strength storm on the Bush administration and the conservative movement.

The buck does stop with the President.

treechopper said...

Klatu, if the Jurors are liberal socialists, why is Libby going to get another trial? wouldnt he just accept the Jurors are all against him and wait for his pardon? I wouldnt ask for another trial with ALL the Jurors being liberal socialists? Sounds like you are wrong again with your overbearing judging of issues. Your still making us look bad, send me a card to the democrat party so I can tear it up. You continue to make us look bad.

treechopper said...

Klatu, do you have a big stack of Democrat sign up cards that you give out regularly? That is real dumb to do that, we are looking to sign people up with the honest conservative party, Libertarian, not Democrat.

Scottiebill said...

I heard on Michael Savage's program yesterday that one of the jury members on Libby's trial was a Washington Post reporter. If that is the case and, knowing the WaPo's ultra-liberal, anti-Bush, anti-American stance, Libby's trial should be declared a mistrial, and a new and unbiased jury panel be convened.

Scottiebill said...

My comment about a juror on Libby's trial was borne out in a posting on DANEgerus.com about a third of the way through the scroll-down.

iknowhowtospell said...

In any trial, representation from either side can protest a prospective juror before a case to have him or her removed from the panel due to a conflict of interest.

You can blame Libby's lawyer for not having done that.

Too bad, so sad, don't let the prison door hit you on the behind on the way in.

Tromatic said...

iknowhowtospell said...

"In any trial, representation from either side can protest a prospective juror before a case to have him or her removed from the panel due to a conflict of interest.
You can blame Libby's lawyer for not having done that.
Too bad, so sad, don't let the prison door hit you on the behind on the way in."

Nice to know you would roll over and take it. With all that;s being learned about the jury, you think this is justice?

From Drudge:
LIBBY JUROR: PARDON HIM
Wed Mar 07 2007 19:21:48 ET

MSNBC host Chris Matthews spoke with Libby juror Ann Redington on HARDBALL. Juror [#10] says she would support a Bush pardon for Libby.

Transcript:

Chris: You're for a pardon out of sympathy for the defendant.

Ann: Yeah, I think in the big picture, um, it kind of bothers me that there was this whole big crime being investigated and he got caught up in the investigation as opposed to in the actual crime that was supposedly committed.

Chris: Which is the leaking of a CIA agents name.

Ann: Exactly.

End

Developing...

Klatu said...

Thanks Tromatic: I was just about to post this Myself From Drudge:
LIBBY JUROR: PARDON HIM
Wed Mar 07 2007 19:21:48 ET

Victoria Taft said...

http://www.vote.com/

Victoria Taft said...

vote for Libby's pardon here:
http://www.vote.com/

Tromatic said...

God, I want to be a juror, but the fact I want to probably disqualifies me.

To bad Libby could not claim racism, homophobia, no habla espanol, his sudden conversion to Islam, rehab or any of the other useful excuses real criminals get a pass with.

Just remember that when you get steamrolled for something you did not do, you laughed when it happened to someone who to you is the wrong party.

Tromatic said...

klatu said:
"PPs If your ever in Court, make
sure that Socialist Liberals
"ARE NOT ON THE JURY"."

Depends on the crime. Cry a lot, moan about how it's all the "man's" fault, you could not help it, and, IT'S BUSH'S FAULT.

Should get you off on just about anything.

iknowhowtospell said...

Wah, boo hoo ..

Case went to court, jury found him guilty.

That's our court system - love it or leave it, America haters!

Evans Fam said...

"In any trial, representation from either side can protest a prospective juror before a case to have him or her removed from the panel due to a conflict of interest.

You can blame Libby's lawyer for not having done that."

For all of you who have never served as a Juror: Each side gets to strike only a small number of prospective jurors before their "strikes" are exhausted. Otherwise, either side could strike as many potential jurors as they wanted until the cows came home, and the trial would never even begin. If the pool of potential jurors was made up entirely of the likes of this former Washington Post journalist, a truly unbiased jury would have been impossible to compile no matter how many "strikes" Libby's lawyer had. Yes, the American court system is the best of it's type anywhere in the world, but it still has shortcomings.

Evans Fam said...

And nobody has mentioned the fact that Valerie Plame's identity wasn't "leaked" (she wasn't even covert! how do you leak the identity of someone who isn't undercover?) by Libby in the first place. Or the fact that Valerie's husband lied a dozen times over with relation to the report of his amazingly unproductive visit to Africa.

westsidedavid said...

Ms Taft:

You continually make a grand show of supporting the troops. Well, the troops, indeed every American serviceman takes an oath on entering into the military to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. One of those rights in the right stated in the seventh amendment, that no fact found by a jury shall be re-examined by any court.

Now here you and the other right-wing pundits throughout the nation are spouting forth an endless stream of excuses for why this jury verdict is so unfair.

So how do you look a serviceman in the eye and say that you want him (or her) to be willing to die for the Constitution, while you come up with a thousand rationalizations for why the Court of Appeals for the Circuit of Taft has the right to overrule the findings of the jury in the case of the United States v. I. Lewis Libby.

Oh, I am sure you have prepared yourself well, you probably have a dozen canned reasons for why you aren't really trying to bend the Constitution, but they ring hollow. While you have been out here in Portland trying to make yourself sound funny and knowledgeable, a jury of Lewis Libby's peers, sworn to hear and try the case well and truthfully to the best of their ability have found him guilty on four of five counts after deliberating more than a week on the matter. They prepared 38 poster-sized diagrams of how the evidence fit together and then reached unanimous verdicts.

And as for any comparison of this matter with the Sandy Berger matter, Ms. Taft, please respond directly to this question, before you run on with excuses: do two wrongs make a right?

westsidedavid said...

As to the allegedly biased juror, I think the comments range from ill-founded to hysterical. While each side is allowed only a limited number of "peremptory" challenges, before they reached that phase of jury selection, both sides have the right to challenge any number of jurors for cause, showing that they actually were biased. Given that part of the standard information that both sides know includes the name, the occupation, and other basic information about the jurors, it seems pretty obvious that Libby's defense counsel knew that this juror was a Washington Post reporter.

So what does it suggest that the defense did not challenge him. I think it suggests that the defense wanted someone on the panel who knew how reporters work. What better person to see through any smoke screen that the various reporter witnesses might throw up than one of their own kind.

The defense apparently felt this person was safe on the jury.

What the juror has said about the deliberations suggests that the jury worked very diligently and very hard to sift through the evidence. They took a week; they drew up 38 poster-sized charts outlining the evidence; and they were unanimous on their verdict -- they have to be under federal law. So did the jury system miss on something? I don't think so. I would suggest that the jury system worked quite well, and the jurors believed that Scooter had come before the grand jury and LIED. He did not make mistakes: he deliberately tried to cover up what he knew. And that is a crime.

Klatu said...

Evans Fam said...
"In any trial, representation from either side can protest a prospective juror before a case to have him or her removed from the panel due to a conflict of interest.

You can blame Libby's lawyer for not having done that."

Klatu Said: They did disqualify prospective juror's and continued do so until time ran out and were not "allowed" to disqualify anymore. Time ran out and they were stuck with a bunch of Bush hating liberals from the WASHINGTON D.C. area

I wasn't kidding that the trial should have been moved to SAYYYYY,
UTAH, or at least an area that is Politically more evenly balanced.

Tromatic said...

westsidedavid said...
"Now here you and the other right-wing pundits throughout the nation are spouting forth an endless stream of excuses for why this jury verdict is so unfair."

And some of the left-wing pundits are saying the same thing, a trial about nothing.

If this was your butt facing prison, you would not be challenging the outcome?

After listening to what some of the jurors have said ragarding the trial you would just say nothing?

If I ever face a jury trial, I would be far better off just picking bums off the street (or benches) of Portland than the carefully biased jurors Libby had.

"So how do you look a serviceman in the eye and say that you want him (or her) to be willing to die for the Constitution, while you come up with a thousand rationalizations for why the Court of Appeals for the Circuit of Taft has the right to overrule the findings of the jury in the case of the United States v. I. Lewis Libby."

OK by me, but I'm not sure how they are related. Seems that the jury had a few issues, enough that the decision has to be questioned. So everyone but Victoria and Libby are entitled to all the protections and options provided by the Constitution?

I can't help but believe the if good old Scooter had a "D" after his name, the complaints would be going the other way.

westsidedavid said...

Klatu:
Time ran out. Under what rule of law are parties limited as to the time that they are allowed for the selection of jurors? If they can show that any prospective juror is in fact biased, there is no time limit for challenging them for cause. If you truly believe that Libby's attorneys were forced to limit their challenging of potential jurors, THAT would be a basis for challenging the verdict. However, except for your comment, I have heard no one suggest that such an extraordinary time limit was placed on this critical portion of the trial.

One person beyond Libby would have an obvious interest in ensuring that the jury was not biased -- the trial judge. Judges at the trial level take their duties very seriously, and it would truly be a black eye on a judge's personal record to be overturned on appeal for something as basic as not allowing for the selection of an impartial jury. Also, if the verdict is overturned, it means that all of the effort that has gone into a trial that ran many weeks is wasted, and no judge wants to go through something like this only to have it tossed on appeal.

Oh, and as for the notion that Lewis Libby's lawyer made a mistake and overlooked something as basic as doing proper jury selection, please consider this fact: Lewis Libby's legal defense team was headed by Theodore V. Wells, co-chairman of the litigation section of the giant New York-based firm of Paul Weiss Rifkind Wharton & Garrison. Wells, a Harvard Law School graduate, was chosen by the National Law Journal as the "Defense Counsel of the Year for 2006," and was credited as setting new standards for the quality of legal work.

However, let me feed a few details to those of you willing to go for conspiracy mania: Wells is black and was a founding member of the Black Student Caucus at his college, Holy Cross. He is a life-long democrat who has served with the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, and is also a close friend and confidant of former Democratic Senator Bill Bradley, but the big conspiracy theory sort of loses steam over the fact that he is also close friends with Supreme Court Clarence Thomas.

As for the suggestion that Theodore Wells and his legal team somehow "overlooked" or "slipped" and allowed biased individuals to remain on the jury, well, given the caliber of the legal team that Libby had, I would suggest that is somewhat comparable to a surgeon facing an appendectomy, and making the first cut on the patient's abdomen -- without allowing the patient any anesthetic. In other words, the burden is on those who argue that the defense team slipped to come up with something more than just the verdict went as it did.

Joe-Anybody said...

all I can say is HAHAHA

Oh wait I forgot to mention....

hahahahaha !