Ding dong Saddam is dead.
Friday, December 29, 2006
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A few comments coming from those who disagreed with his execution, but they forget, it was an Iraqi Court, and Iraqi Judge, Iraqi Lawyers, except for Ramsey Clark.
Many calls for the US to intervene and prevent his execution. Do those making that call not want the Iraqi government being responsible for themselves?
I will lose no sleep over his execution.
Who really cares. The sad part is we continue to get our asses whipped over there regardless of Saddaam. You think he matters, he doesn't. So Waterloo, when are you the Botox Bimbo and Pro-war Company going to head over and join up with KBR? They are hiring. I am sure they could use you to change oil in their delivery trucks.
abe,
Do you want anyone to take your view seriously? You often do have a view I am interested in considering; but when you combine it with useless insults, you loose credibility with me.
I am usually against the death penalty. However, in this case, I believe the death penalty served the greater needs of the Iraqi community.
The article, I link to below, pretty much sums up how I see this, in terms of our right, as humans, to condemn another to death:
Hanging Saddam: A Magisterial Perspective
[I also have a very dark, less logical side, to my personality. This side thinks that hanging was too kind. But I don't like this side of me.]
The sad part is we continue to get our asses whipped over there regardless of Saddaam.
dishonest, care to back up in which battles we "got our asses whipped?"
As for Saddam, it was the Iraqis who tried him, convicted him, sentenced him and executed him. If we are to expect them to be a sovereign government, should we not respect that?
Or, are you like many of the moonbat left who says he was "lynched" by Bush to prevent him from presenting evidence?
Any smokescreen to prevent any good news from Iraq, right?
Saddam was a bad man, and his hanging is a good thing. Tragically the people that hired, funded and trained him remain free. Saddam a mere symptom of a much bigger problem.
Dishonest abe: Are you sad that Sad-umm was hanged??? Were getting ours ASSES kicked?? Really?? Are you Watching and listening to Lame Stream media's again.
Ps: FYI check out the Battle of the Bulge during World War II. Yea we got our ASSES kicked there. Don't seem to find many Protesters such as your self in the history books on that one. Maybe that was because we had a Socialist high Tax President named "FDR" at the time.
PPs: to everyone HAPPY NEW YEAR
"We're not winning, we're not losing," President Bush December 2006
mongo, you really ought to read beyond headlines when quoting someone quoting someone else.
Right in a Left World: Washington Post Misrepresents President Bush Again
While some are concerned about whether Bush said we are not winning or losing or acknowledged that we are not winning or losing, we have passed the 3,000 mark of American service deaths in Iraq.
A sad milestone. The dead, wounded, and orphaned, will be the Bush legacy. In the end, all this sacrifice will have been for naught.
Saddam had to pay for his crimes...and they were more numerous than just what he was convicted of.
I thought he looked scared before the execution (who wouldn't?) I think it would bring some sense of peace to those who have been brutalized by him and for the families who have suffered because of the killing and maiming of their family members in Iraq.
I just to refuse to watch his death on YouTube. A tyrant is gone, but I'd feel like Springer-esque voyeur - cheapening the weighty matters that brought him to the gallows.
As the left celebrates the 3000 death, in their morbidity, they fail to see what was revealed in yesterdays LA Times article; Monthly U.S. toll in Iraq at 2-year high.
From the article: The Marine deaths reported Friday brought the number of U.S. military fatalities in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion to 2,996, icasualties.org said, with 816 of them occurring this year. Last year, 846 American service members died; in 2004, the figure was 848.
The number of U.S. wounded is also down this year — 5,676 compared with 5,947 in 2005 and 8,001 in 2004.
Deaths are down, wounded are down, yet that never makes a headline.
You lefty's celebrate if you wish, I prefer to honor the brave sacrifice of those fallen heroes.
"As the left celebrates the 3000(sic) death"
Sounds like neo-con clap trap. Care to provide specific examples please?
3000 families now mourn their loved ones returning in coffins that the media is prevented from photographing.
I hope all of you Bush supporters are quite pleased with yourselves now. In 1968, another Texas President, Lyndon Baines Johnson, had the integrity and political wisdom to recognize when his Vietnam policies had led to a debacle. He resigned.
The Neo-Cons still believe that their favorite bete noir, the American Liberal, is threatening their distorted notion of our nation's image.
They mistake humanitarian caring for the deaths and maiming of our troops, not to mention those of the Iraqis, as a sign of weakness. We now live in a military state, but only those unfortunate enough to wear the uniform suffer the real consequences.
What a depressing way to start the New Year...
While it goes without saying that the 3000 deaths of American GIs in Iraq is bad, we have to remember that this is over the course of some 4 years. That being said, I have not heard or read of anyone yelling about the 48,000+ deaths on our highways during 2006 - one year. And approximately half that number were alcohol related. And, what is even a greater disappointment for the libs and the MSM is that they can't blame those deaths on George Bush or Dick Cheney. Sorry, fuzzi and dishonest abe. You'll have to find another scapegoat for those 48,000+.
Saddam has was hanged, now it is Rumsfeld's turn to visit the Hague. Too bad he knows he would suffer the same fate.
...care to back up in which battles we "got our asses whipped?"
The whole damned Iraq War/Occupation was an ass kicking to sadly not only our troops, our allies that we drug into it but also our pocket books. If you cleaned the GOP talking points out of your mind for a second you would see that.
There is no valid comparison between drunk driving deaths and the fiasco wrought by Bush in Iraq. I guess in your world Scottiebill, the Vietnam Wall means nothing. After all it represents less than two years of drunk driving deaths.
The whole damned Iraq War/Occupation was an ass kicking to sadly not only our troops, our allies that we drug into it but also our pocket books. If you cleaned the GOP talking points out of your mind for a second you would see that.
So, it's "the whole damned thing," huh? Funny how so many are VOLUNTEERING for second and third tours there.
As for talking points, if you could pull your head back out into the sunshine for a few minutes, or at least seek treatment for your BDS, you would see that our troops have not lost a single battle yet.
Given the penchant moonbats like you have to see America lose, that could change as you keep supporting the enemies that would gleefully lop your head off for wearing lipstick or seeking an education.
Incidentally, I don't seek info from the GOP, I receive it from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
We put up with your kind when we came home from Viet Nam and shamefully had to sit back and watch as Saigon fell to communism as leftist moonbats smiled smugly. Then, they turned a blind eye to the carnage of human life they caused.
Does anyone know why the execution occurred during a festival? I guess this is what a lot of the protesting is about. Why not have had the execution 1 day sooner, or some number of days later (I don't even know how long this festival is)?
I watched the video, multiple times.
Why would I do that?
I sort of like this guy's approach, he writes a cartoon.
middleast Milestone drybones cartoon
"Incidentally, I don't seek info from the GOP, I receive it from the horse's mouth, so to speak."
I have read you posts, and I seriously doubt it was from that end of the horse.
Why in 2007, will the United States spend more on our military than all other nations COMBINED!
And for all of that, we don't have enough properly equipped ground forces to defeat a ragtag bunch of militias.
There is something seriously wrong with our military force structure, our defense budget priorities and our national security.
I've been asking this question for several months with no response: Who on the American left is "celebrating" the deaths of 3000 Americans?
And if you can name names, which I'm sure won't (or can't) be done, how do they somehow "speak" for the entire American left?
This is why I used the F-word and would like to use it again.
I'm pleased to see so much concern for human life from the left.
BTW, can any of you tell me how many babies weren't born in Oregon due to induced abortions, in the same time period?
Since you all have such good statistical numbers, how many enemy have been killed so far?
Thanks.
Lew :“As the left celebrates the 3000 death,…”
Cramdown: “Sounds like neo-con clap trap. Care to provide specific examples please?”
Lew: Silence
Iknowhowtospell: “I've been asking this question for several months with no response: Who on the American left is "celebrating" the deaths of 3000 Americans?”
Lew: Unresponsive, answers question by asking a question.
It may be 2007 but some things remain the same. It is easy to make an inflammatory statement, but not always easy to back it up.
Mongo, you're a very poor Perry Mason.
First post I asked, Do those making that call not want the Iraqi government being responsible for themselves?
Response? Mongo, silence. dishonest abe, silence. crammie, silence. iknow, silence. fizzi, silence. disloyal, silence. Genevieve, silence.
I don't feel compelled to kowtow to lefties who won't respond, but demand others respond to them. Deal with it!
Apples and oranges, Lew, and you know it. Saddam's death and the alleged "celebration" of 3000 American deaths by the American left are completely, totally separate.
The verdict on Saddam, a truly despicable person who I won't miss a lick, being made by Iraqis responsible for their own fate is commendable.
Yes, I want the Iraqi government to be responsible for itself.
Does that answer your question?
Now will you answer mine?
iknow, your 'celebrations' is in your morbid fascination of the deaths of our troops, without affording them the honor they deserve for their sacrifice.
It is far from apples and oranges too. If, as you all claim, you are so concerned about their deaths, why not other deaths as well? If you say our troops are needless deaths, then how can you say the unborn aren't also needless as they too did nothing to merit death.
I also find it somewhat fascinating that the left can quote how many troops and innocent civilans are dead, but cannot seem to come up with a number for enemy dead.
Personally, after what I've witnessed and experienced over the past 36 years, I doubt any of you really give a rats patootie about the troops lives, until it fits your political agenda.
As for wanting the Iraqis to handle matters themselves, good for you. However, if you read any of the lamestream media this past weekend, there were several articles sympathetic to Saddam, others saying it was Bush doing it, some on Daily KOS even went so far as to say Saddam was lynched, one TV commentator from WESH in Orlando, Florida announced it as an assasination.
Nevermind the Bush administration tried to have the execution delayed.
Lew,
Do you think everyone who is anti-this-war is also pro-abortion?
I don't get why those two views would go together.
I know people who are anti-war, anti-death-penalty and anti-abortion. This seems like a logical grouping of views, all having to do with not feeling anyone has the right to take the life of another.
NO I don't, coboble. But, with the morbid importance too many from the anti-liberty left places on only the death of our troops who volunteered to fight our enemies, while ignoring so many other preventable deaths, reinforces my belief of their agenda and their real caring.
Where do we get daily reports of Police killed in the line of duty? Why is there no call for them to pulled out of hot areas?
Why do we not hear of enemy deaths? Why don't we get a daily tally of murders across the nation?
Our troops have asked for our support and the time and patience to let them do their job. They place themselves in harm's way to protect America and us. The daily reports of only the troops death's accomplishes nothing other than souring the publics views of the War while the good they accomplish goes totally ignored. As public opinion sours, the enemy sees this (again) and becomes even more emboldened, knowing if they just hang on, kill a few here and there, we will, once again, walk away and hand them a victory.
Agenda driven reports are not balanced and not designed to be. They are manipulative with an end goal in mind. Victory against Al Qaeda isn't the goal!
"iknow, your 'celebrations' is in your morbid fascination of the deaths of our troops, without affording them the honor they deserve for their sacrifice."
Lew, I know we disagree on a lot of things, but this is absolute nonsense.
Iknowhowtospell: Don't tell me it took you this long to catch on to Lew.
Lew and I disagree on a lot of things, but he usually backs up his claims with some substance. I may have a different perspective than he does, but at least he makes a point that I can be willing to view as an alternative to my own (as opposed to the crazy Dale Gribble-like ramblings of certain spacement around here).
That last one, though ... whew.
It's like trying to argue that you don't like bananas and someone else claims that you do. How do you counter something like that?
Yeesh.
Way, waaaay off base.
Okay, feel free to post examples of your support or honor to the troops.
I'll be watching.
Iknowhowtospell: It's like trying to nail jelly to a tree.
I don't need to do a damn thing, Lew. Whether I write thank you notes to troops or salute them when they come down the street or whatever it is that you think I'm *supposed* to do is absolutely immaterial.
You make accusations that people like me "hate America", that we "celebrate" the deaths of our brave soldiers, that we're treasonous, and so on ... you're so full of venom toward anyone who disagrees with you that you simply can't step back and realize that YOU ARE MAKING THESE THINGS UP.
They are not true. Saying it twice doesn't make it more likely to be true, either. And so on.
It's like trying to convince you I don't like bananas.
I am telling you that you are wrong. You are the one making the accusations - the burden of proof is on you here.
I do not hate America.
I do not celebrate the deaths of any American soliders.
I hardly consider myself treasonous - the ability to disagree and take a stance opposite the administration in power is what this country was founded upon. In THAT sense, I am one of the truest patriots you will ever find.
I love this country in no small part because of the fact that I'm ALLOWED to disagree.
Hussein was a bad man.
It doesn't change the fact that this administration bungled the entire "war on terror" once the focus was shifted from Afghanistan (an effort I wholeheartedly supported, mind you) to Iraq.
Bush has dropped the ball repeatedly. He's so concerned about his legacy that he neglects reality.
The democrats aren't perfect by any means, but I'm anxious to see them regain the White House in '08 to see what they're capable of doing. They can't be any worse than the last six years, that's for sure.
Just as I thought, iknow. You make claims that have no substance. If you really supported the troops you would be able to say how you show some support.
Any venom I may have isn't over people who disagree with me, I disagree agreeably often with several people. People filled with hot air who want to make others think they are caring irritate me.
36 years of the nonsense the anti-liberty crowd spews in their ignorance does tend to grate on a persons nerves, at times.
Or, as we often say, if you didn't go, you wouldn't know.
This was and is a bad war, Lew. It's a disaster.
I support the troops by wanting them to fight for something WORTH fighting for - that would have been in Afghanistan. That would have been getting Bin Laden.
Ifaq is smoke and mirrors. Iraq is a distraction.
Terror did not spring forth against our country from Iraq.
This whole thing is a mess, and I know there's nothing I can say or do to make you understand that I don't hate our American troops - and I don't hate them at all, for the umpteenth time. I think the world of them. I've said that repeatedly.
It's their leader and his cronies with whom I have major, major problems.
I wish for nothing more than for every single man and woman serving our country to return safely to their families, so that they can continue life with all of their limbs in tact, and so they can be around family and friends once more.
"Or, as we often say, if you didn't go, you wouldn't know."
Good point That is why I recommend www.ivaw.org Iraq Veterans Against the Wwar
The MEN on the ground understand FULLY that we have lost the war, or CANNOT win it "militarily" and have REPEATEDLY stated so.
The MEN on the ground understand FULLY that we have lost the war, or CANNOT win it "militarily" and have REPEATEDLY stated so.
D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L
While a FEW have said this, why do so many reenlist and voluntarily return to Iraq? Even Casey Sheehan was on his second tour, and he had just reenlisted as well.
This evening, I'll post some words from those troops for you all.
Many active duty, reserve, and guard service members are concerned about the war in Iraq and support the withdrawal of U.S. troops. The Appeal for Redress provides a way in which individual service members can appeal to their Congressional Representative and US Senators to urge an end to the U.S. military occupation. The Appeal messages will be delivered to members of Congress at the time of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Day in January 2007.
The wording of the Appeal for Redress is short and simple. It is patriotic and respectful in tone.
"As a patriotic American proud to serve the nation in uniform, I respectfully urge my political leaders in Congress to support the prompt withdrawal of all American military forces and bases from Iraq . Staying in Iraq will not work and is not worth the price. It is time for U.S. troops to come home."
Don't forget the military families.
Military Families Speak Out is an organization of people opposed to the war in Iraq who have relatives or loved ones in the military. Its membership currently includes over 3,000 military families, with new families joining daily.
In total, boys, a few is not exactly many. Yes, there are some, I'll admit that. But, it appears that you can't admit there are many many more who support the ongoing action, even those who lost a loved one.
Any idea why they don't receive airtime or recognition?
Try looking here, click on “why we serve,” MNFI
Then, look here: Historic Trip to Iraq
For more enlightenment; Iraq War Veteran To San Francisco: We Must Win This Fight!
Right in a Left World: Why am I more patient than someone sitting at home in Fort ‘Livingroom’?”
Going back to ’04, CBS News, Military Families Trust Bush More
What do you mean 'we'? 9/11 families for Bush
Military Families 'Disgusted' by Sheehan
Have fun ignoring them.
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