R; I was not quoting from "fringe groups". I wrote that as my observation of what the Islamo-fascists are essentially saying to the rest of the world. I do not consider myself a "fringe group" or even a "fringe person". I do, however, consider you and your ilk to be pro-Islamo-fascist because of your writings here defending their "faith", if you can call it that.
You do not consider those you call "Islamo-fascists" to be a fringe group, but rather make up the majority of those who practice Islam, or at worst even hold the majority power over a region of people?
And to Scottie, you said:
The "Religion of Peace" is telling the rest of the world, "Convert to Islam immediately or we'll kill you!"
Next time you make an observation, opinion, or blanket statement you may want to temper it with words like "I am of the opinion," or "in my observation."
Since you seem to be chalk full of opinions, let's iron out a little falsehood in your current "observation." I have only, and always, championed the notion to "remove the plank from your eye before you worry about the splinter in your brother's." I have never defended those who are terrorists, Islamo-fascists, or whatever you want to call them.
It is your inability and unwillingness (and ignorance) to understand that a violent minority of a religious majority does not represent the foundations or beliefs of that religion in whole. You and those of like mind, are in a current fervor of lashing out and condemning an entire religion, which I'm sorry is just not fair, justified, honest, or principled.
Stick to heaping your opinion of evils upon terrorists who are deserving of it, and not upon a religion you don't believe in or care for, and especially on someone in your own country you disagree with. You may also consider your fellow citizens you are dividing from you, who practice Islam and live in, love, and serve this country proudly.
It's so far beyond the time to start living up to the principles of "unite not divide." I urge you that by laying the evils of a minority at the feet of an entire religion, you are indeed dividing, and being dishonest in one of the most destructive ways imaginable.
For some time now common everyday muslims have been silent. The noise that we all heard have been the Islamo-fascists. They have gone to great lengths to silence the common everyday muslims. Their silence is deafing.
For some the silence has and in some cases have been taked as approval.
While the interpertation may be too generalized and incorrect, it would be foolish to ignore the noise.
For some the silence has and in some cases have been taked as approval. While the interpertation may be too generalized and incorrect, it would be foolish to ignore the noise.
It is those very "some" who champion that all of Islam is to blame. Do you see, by even your own words, how ignorant and irresponsible that is?
Hey, Lew: Have you noticed that R is sounding very much like the Islamo-fascists in his rhetoric. That is, "If you don't believe like I do, then you are ignorant and irresponsible". At least he is not threatening to kill us for not sharing his views to the letter.
"Hey, Lew: Have you noticed that R is sounding very much like the Islamo-fascists in his rhetoric. That is, "If you don't believe like I do, then you are ignorant and irresponsible". At least he is not threatening to kill us for not sharing his views to the letter."
Hey scottie, notice how I can completely disagree with you and not try to align you with terrorists or extremists? If that's all you can argue, you're falling short my friend. Believe what you will as you are free to do so. I won't ever question your allegiance or patriotism because you speak your mind.
"Though the interpretation may be generalized it is not allways false. In many cases it is right on."
kodiak, in part I can't disagree with you. Yes, sometimes silence is an indication of complacency or even approval. But the standard you would base that on in regards to what even you say is a "generalized interpretation" is just that; too generalized to be taken seriously. If you can't prove that 100% of those that practice Islam and say nothing, support the terrorists in full, then your interpretation can not apply.
I guess what I don't understand, is the thought behind alienating an entire religion for the acts of a few, and the silence of the many. Wouldn't it be better to appeal to the silent majority to stand up with us, rather than assume they all are guilty?
R: I said that you SOUND like the islamo-fascists, not that you are aligned with them. And I am not the one calling people "ignorant and irresponsible" because they don't agree with me.
You are a canadate to read The Looming Tower by L. Wright.
You cannot disprove that 100% of the muslims support the radicals. Most of those who have condemed the radicals qualified their statements of condemnation. Mostly with finger pointing at Israel.
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You cannot convert anyone by the gun. But, it sure took the gun for us to win our freedom and maintain it for 200 years.
I don't see anyone being forced to be free against their will. Ultimately, it is up to them, we are only giving them a chance.
Yea: Join us or else you INFIDEL
In too many cases, I don't think they even would force us to join. They'd just as soon kill all of us.
The "Religion of Peace" is telling the rest of the world, "Convert to Islam immediately or we'll kill you!"
The "Religion of Peace" is telling the rest of the world, "Convert to Islam immediately or we'll kill you!"
Quotes from credible representatives of the faith, and not fringe groups please.
Unfortunately, it's the fringe types in power with guns.
I guess we'd better stop, look, listen and fire back.
R; I was not quoting from "fringe groups". I wrote that as my observation of what the Islamo-fascists are essentially saying to the rest of the world. I do not consider myself a "fringe group" or even a "fringe person". I do, however, consider you and your ilk to be pro-Islamo-fascist because of your writings here defending their "faith", if you can call it that.
So, to both Victoria and Scottie,
You do not consider those you call "Islamo-fascists" to be a fringe group, but rather make up the majority of those who practice Islam, or at worst even hold the majority power over a region of people?
And to Scottie, you said:
The "Religion of Peace" is telling the rest of the world, "Convert to Islam immediately or we'll kill you!"
Next time you make an observation, opinion, or blanket statement you may want to temper it with words like "I am of the opinion," or "in my observation."
Since you seem to be chalk full of opinions, let's iron out a little falsehood in your current "observation." I have only, and always, championed the notion to "remove the plank from your eye before you worry about the splinter in your brother's." I have never defended those who are terrorists, Islamo-fascists, or whatever you want to call them.
It is your inability and unwillingness (and ignorance) to understand that a violent minority of a religious majority does not represent the foundations or beliefs of that religion in whole. You and those of like mind, are in a current fervor of lashing out and condemning an entire religion, which I'm sorry is just not fair, justified, honest, or principled.
Stick to heaping your opinion of evils upon terrorists who are deserving of it, and not upon a religion you don't believe in or care for, and especially on someone in your own country you disagree with. You may also consider your fellow citizens you are dividing from you, who practice Islam and live in, love, and serve this country proudly.
It's so far beyond the time to start living up to the principles of "unite not divide." I urge you that by laying the evils of a minority at the feet of an entire religion, you are indeed dividing, and being dishonest in one of the most destructive ways imaginable.
r,
Have you heard of the term Silence is deafing?
For some time now common everyday muslims have been silent. The noise that we all heard have been the Islamo-fascists. They have gone to great lengths to silence the common everyday muslims. Their silence is deafing.
For some the silence has and in some cases have been taked as approval.
While the interpertation may be too generalized and incorrect, it would be foolish to ignore the noise.
For some the silence has and in some cases have been taked as approval.
While the interpertation may be too generalized and incorrect, it would be foolish to ignore the noise.
It is those very "some" who champion that all of Islam is to blame. Do you see, by even your own words, how ignorant and irresponsible that is?
Hey, Lew: Have you noticed that R is sounding very much like the Islamo-fascists in his rhetoric. That is, "If you don't believe like I do, then you are ignorant and irresponsible". At least he is not threatening to kill us for not sharing his views to the letter.
Yet.
r,
Though the interpertation may be generalized it is not allways false. In many cases it is right on.
Remember on 9/11/01 a certain group of muslims celebrated the attack. They were not silent but approved.
"Hey, Lew: Have you noticed that R is sounding very much like the Islamo-fascists in his rhetoric. That is, "If you don't believe like I do, then you are ignorant and irresponsible". At least he is not threatening to kill us for not sharing his views to the letter."
Hey scottie, notice how I can completely disagree with you and not try to align you with terrorists or extremists? If that's all you can argue, you're falling short my friend. Believe what you will as you are free to do so. I won't ever question your allegiance or patriotism because you speak your mind.
"Though the interpretation may be generalized it is not allways false. In many cases it is right on."
kodiak, in part I can't disagree with you. Yes, sometimes silence is an indication of complacency or even approval. But the standard you would base that on in regards to what even you say is a "generalized interpretation" is just that; too generalized to be taken seriously. If you can't prove that 100% of those that practice Islam and say nothing, support the terrorists in full, then your interpretation can not apply.
I guess what I don't understand, is the thought behind alienating an entire religion for the acts of a few, and the silence of the many. Wouldn't it be better to appeal to the silent majority to stand up with us, rather than assume they all are guilty?
R: I said that you SOUND like the islamo-fascists, not that you are aligned with them. And I am not the one calling people "ignorant and irresponsible" because they don't agree with me.
r,
You are a canadate to read The Looming Tower by L. Wright.
You cannot disprove that 100% of the muslims support the radicals. Most of those who have condemed the radicals qualified their statements of condemnation. Mostly with finger pointing at Israel.
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