RICHARD MINITER HAD THIS BACK IN '05. HERE'S MY BLOG ENTRY.
(CNSNews.com) - Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) announced Wednesday the finding of over 500 munitions or weapons of mass destruction, specifically "sarin- and mustard-filled projectiles," in Iraq.Reading from unclassified portions of a document developed by the U.S. intelligence community, Santorum said, "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."
REST OF THE STORY HERE.
Wednesday, June 21, 2006
WMD FOUND IN IRAQ: YEAH WE KNOW
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"..the weapons themselves are not the ones we went to war for, however common knowledge of the weapons is that these weapons easily could kill with little hindrance.."
- Sen. Rick Santorum
What else ya got?
WMDs have been found in Iraq, so reports New York Times best-selling author Richard Miniter in his new book, Disinformation.
Consider these shocking facts:
• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons
• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas
• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs
• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin
This was before the 500 newly found and reported today.
Additionally, we had Senator John Kerry saying;
"In the final days of that conflict, a fateful decision was made not to utterly vanquish the Iraqi Government and armed forces, on the grounds that to do so would leave a risky vacuum, as some then referred to it, in the Middle East which Iran or Syria or other destabilizing elements might move to fill."
"Plainly and simply, Saddam Hussein cannot be permitted to get away with his antics, or with this latest excuse for avoidance of
international responsibility."
"This should not be a strike consisting only of a handful of cruise missiles hitting isolated targets primarily of presumed symbolic value. But how long this military action might continue and how it may escalate should Saddam remain intransigent and how extensive would be its reach are for the Security Council and our allies to know and for Saddam Hussein ultimately to find out."
"In a more practical vein, Mr. President, I submit that the old adage "pay now or pay later" applies perfectly in this situation. If Saddam Hussein is permitted to go about his effort to build weapons of mass destruction and to avoid the accountability of the United Nations, we will surely reap a confrontation of greater consequence in the future."
"it is not unreasonable to assume that Saddam's action may have been precipitated by the fear that the U.N. inspectors were getting uncomfortably close to discovering some caches of reprehensible weapons of mass destruction, or facilities to manufacture them, that many have long feared he is doing everything in his power to build, hide, and hoard."
"He cannot be permitted to go unobserved and unimpeded toward his horrific objective of amassing a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction."
David Kay, prior to coming out and saying he felt there were no WMDs, also said, "Any actual WMD weapons or material is likely to be small in relation to the total conventional armaments footprint and difficult to near impossible to identify with normal search procedures. It is important to keep in mind that even the bulkiest materials we are searching for, in the quantities we would expect to find, can be concealed in spaces not much larger than a two car garage."
Given that complete fighter jets were buried and not found for some time, it's not outrageous to think these would not be easily found.
Are the weapons we have found the weapons that we went to war over?
Does it really matter, David? Haven't we repeatedly been told there never were any WMDs in Iraq?
Story Here - From FOX News, by the way, so it's a fair and balanced news story, if you're concerned about such things.
"Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.
"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war.""
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I'll bet that if they found an underground treasure trove of stuff that never made the UN weapons inspectors' lists that you'd say 1) it was planted, 2) it doesn't count because it wasn't on a list.
I'm going to give you a tip: The United States isn't always wrong. Can we work on that, please? The US does enough stuff wrong without you making it up.
So, basically, we found the stuff we sold to Saddam in the first place under Reagan. We knew it had to be there; we still have our copies of the receipts. Did Rumsfeld help find them? Maybe he remembered where Saddam stashed them when he visited the Iraqi President back in December 1983. Or were these made later in-house using the technology we provided Iraq to produce their own? Hard to tell without comparing the serial numbers to the bill of sale.
Wow we sold them WMD in the 1980's? If true, then I suppose we would have been in a perfect position to know exactly what WMD Saddam had. So, if true, what about 'lying our way into war'?
hello?
still there?
Ms Taft:
The United States does a great deal that is right. In many instances, the American servicepeople in Iraq have provided the sort of decent, humanitarian support that was the hallmark of American overseas efforts in previous campaigns. In the case of the war in Iraq, however, I must differentiate between the overall war effort and the actions of the specific servicemen and women.
President Bush and his administration presented the case to the American people and to the world that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that it posed an imminent threat to the world and to the United States. This was the critical rationale for the invasion of Iraq.
Since the administration first made its case, there have been any number of revelations that the intelligence which the administration presented to the American people and to the world was flawed, overstated, and inflated.
Further, as even members of the administration have acknowledged, mistakes were made. As a result, we have a situation in Iraq in which the viability of the current government is questionable; civil war and the complete collapse of Iraq as a nation is a serious possibility; and long after the President announced "Mission Accomplished," American casualties continue to mount.
I see my country mired in a war in which some of its finest young people are being killed and maimed for the sake of a flawed cause. On the home front, I see the nation wracked with doubt because the mistakes made in that war are so glaring and so costly. I see spreading disillusionment and disenchantment because the public increasingly finds our leaders and their excuses for continuing on their course unbelievable. Yet to all the pleas that are offered that we change the course, that we stop and reconsider some of the actions we are taking, I see an administration that turns a deaf ear.
In the face of such a tragedy, is it wrong to speak out?
This was announced on Michael Savage's parogram yesterday afternoon during an interview with Congressman Curt Weldon.
Beacause this announcement goes agains all the WMD naysayers of the country, it might get reported on one of the back pages behind the want-ads of the newspapers. After all, the print media cannot have the WMD deniers look bad, can they?
QUESTION FOR THE LEFTIES: Since you feel these found weapons are aged and many feel they aren't really very dangerous, why was so much hell raised over storage of our own similar munitions throughout the country by the left?
Shouldn't those weapons also be considered releatively safe as well?
For the record, even aged, these found weapons are as nasty as even new stuff, maybe even moreso since it might just be more unstable now.
Nimlo, please supply some real proof that the US Government sold Saddam any chemical weapons. Seems to me, every weapon found there has been European in manufacture so far.
The fact that today George W Bush and Dick Cheney are completely silent on the subject tells me all I need to know about the true nature of this alleged "WMD find" in Iraq. I think they already know the public is not buying their lies anymore.
slew, nimlo,
Let's try some reality shall we?
There's no damming evidence the US directly sold Iraq any weapons. What did the US do?
- Show complacency in Iraq's use of chemical weapons when it benefited our stance on Iran.
- Provide Iraq satellite information targeting for using their chemical weapons (see General al-Shamari).
- Continued to pursue full diplomatic relations with Iraq AFTER chemical weapons were used.
- Provided parts, material, training and other assistance to Iraq's chemical, biological, missile, and nuclear weapons programs throughout the 1970s and 80s, some continuing till the end of 1990.
No one in government has admitted there were "NO WMD." What they have admitted is there were no stockpiles of WMD, the ones that "led us to war."
How about we just tell some truth for once, and admit we're cleaning up a mess we helped create? Seems a better angle then telling your fellow American's they hate their country because they don't believe the bulls**t lies coming from their leaders, don't you think?
The apologies from the left build to a crescendo as the anti-Americans realize they were wrong about EVERYTHING. Imams line up at every available microphone to denounce the "religion of peace," and its barbaric teachings.......sorry, just a dream. Ann Coulter said, The lefties are either "traitors or idiots." I believe they are both.
BTW, westsidedope, with your anti-American defeatist attitude, I recommend doctor-assisted suicide. Your angst over the continuing death and defeat of the terrorists, and the continued strengthening of the Iraqi government is heart-breaking, and must be causing you and your cowardly friends deep and terminal pain. We'll miss you....not.
As for the rest of you anti-American slime out there, whenever facts that validate and vindicate U.S. actions are presented, you lefties go berserk, and come out in droves. Bringing a fact into a roomful of liberals is like walking into a roomful of cockroaches with a can of "RAID.".......Priceless!!!
WSD: President Bush and his administration presented the case to the American people and to the world that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that it posed an imminent threat to the world and to the United States.
Wrong, David. The Bush Adminstration never said Iraq was an "imminent threat." That was said by John Edwards, former and failed Vice Presidential Candidate, 2004. From CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, guest hosted by John King and aired on February 24, 2002, we have Edwards saying, "we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
"I think Iraq and Saddam Hussein present the most serious and most imminent threat."
I will wait for a quote of this same thing from Bush.
As far as reasons for the war, WMDs were believed to have been there, by nearly everyone around the globe. Now, these same people are trying to claim they were misled, but the quote I gave earlier from John Kerry was made on November of 1997, three full years before Bush was elected. His claim of being misled is clearly a canard.
"there have been any number of revelations that the intelligence which the administration presented to the American people and to the world was flawed, overstated, and inflated.
Even if this were factual, we have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight which Bush did not. Since nearly the entire world was sharing this "intelligence" and had seen Saddam use these WMDs and "knew" they were there, it would be derelict for any President to not act for our nations safety, given the horrendous attacks of 9-11. The possibility of those WMDs (which I still believe were spirited out of the country) could fall into the hands of terrorist, who would have no problem using them, is too grave a threat to ignore.
Yes, mistakes were made. But guess what? Show me one single conflict or war where no mistakes were ever made. It's the nature of war, my friend. Once it starts, all your plans go to pot and you must learn and adapt to what your enemies plans are.
You may choose to believe the war is lost. You fall right in with the drive-by leftstream media that cannot find any heroes from our troops or print much good they have accomplished. In other words, you are being spoon fed a propaganda campaign from the anti-war left.
As Joseph Goebbels said, tell a lie often enough and the people will start believing it.
War is hell, David, but after 9-11 we can no longer afford to blindly sit back and hope things may work out. Need I remind you in 4 years of this war, our troops deaths have not yet matched the deaths from September 11?
Like I have said, I grieve more than you could ever realize over every death I har of, but at the same time, I feel enormous pride that our country, with all of it's shortcomings, still produces young people willing to volunteer and place themselves in harms way for both of our freedoms and those of an oppressed people. I don't expect the left to understand that. I guess you would have to have been there to appreciate that attitude.
Nimlo, if you wish to condemn the US for inaction in Iraq, then you must also condemn the entire United Nations and the world as well. It's is their responsibility, not the US alone. That is why we approached them for Resolution 1441.
If you want truth, try offering some.
Lew's right. President Bush said he wanted to deal with Iraq before it became an imminent threat--thus the Bush Doctrine of preemption.
Love the Edwards quote. Is he still channeling babies by the way?
I digress.
Anyhoo: you don't have "imminent" coming from Bush's mouth because that and the Bush Doctrine are mutually exclusive.
How's this slew, does this sound "imminent" enough for you?
"Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof - the smoking gun - that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."
- President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).
"But the risk of doing nothing, the risk of the security of this country being jeopardized at the hands of a madman with weapons of mass destruction far exceeds the risks of any action we may be forced to take."
- President Meets with National Economic Council, White House (2/25/2003).
"Today the world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq. A dictator who has used weapons of mass destruction on his own people must not be allowed to produce or possess those weapons. We will not permit Saddam Hussein to blackmail and/or terrorize nations which love freedom."
- President Bush Speaks to Atlantic Youth Council, CNN (11/20/2002).
"On its present course, the Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency. . . . it has developed weapons of mass death."
- President, House Leadership Agree on Iraq Resolution, White House (10/2/2002).
Let's try some more gems from the mouth of Bush, that made THE case for war:
"We recently found two mobile biological weapons facilities which were capable of producing biological agents."
- President Talks to Troops in Qatar, White House (6/5/2003).
LIE
"The history, the logic, and the facts lead to one conclusion: Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger. To suggest otherwise is to hope against the evidence. To assume this regime's good faith is to bet the lives of millions and the peace of the world in a reckless gamble. And this is a risk we must not take."
- President, Address to the United Nations General Assembly, White House (9/12/2002).
LIE
"All the world has now seen the footage of an Iraqi Mirage aircraft with a fuel tank modified to spray biological agents over wide areas. Iraq has developed spray devices that could be used on unmanned aerial vehicals with ranges far beyond what is permitted by the Security Council. A UAV launched from a vessel off the American coast could reach hundreds of miles inland."
- President Bush: "World Can Rise to This Moment", White House (2/6/2003).
LIE
"Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."
- President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003).
LIE
"And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produced chemical and biological weapons. Yet Saddam Hussein has chosen to build and keep these weapons despite international sanctions, U.N. demands, and isolation from the civilized world."
- President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).
LIE
"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States."
- President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).
LIE (and ridiculous)
"After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more."
- President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).
LIE
"In defiance of the United Nations, Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."
-President: Iraqi Regime Danger to America is "Grave and Growing", White House (10/5/2002).
LIE
"The regime has the scientists and facilities to build nuclear weapons, and is seeking the materials needed to do so."
- President, House Leadership Agree on Iraq Resolution, White House (10/2/2002).
LIE
"The regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material, could build one within a year."
- President Bush Discusses Iraq with Congressional Leaders, White House (9/26/2002).
LIE
Sure doesn't sound like we went to war over a few hundred "old" weapons, we already knew about and allowed Iraq to have. The "mistake" was the gamble this administration took on using the fear of 9/11 to trump up emotional support for removing Saddam, a growing threat and disaster WE helped create.
America's not waiting around for or accepting reports of these small bits of weapons here and there, or wild "moonbat" theories as to what happened to the "big" WMD. They want to see the weapons that were a certainty, a grave threat to our safety, and the reason more than 2500 of our brave men have died thus far.
That's WHY we invaded Iraq - from the mouth of Bush, our President, to us, the people. So, tell me again how we weren't LIED into war? Or are you gonna just tell me how I'm a f***ed up liberal who hates my country?
Khaldunce, that's an awful lot of verbiage that nowhere shows Bush ever saying Iraq was an IMMINENT threat.
Odd too that in all the rehashed quotes, not one person has ever proved a lie, just brayed and bantied about lies due to the WMDs being gone when we finally got there, after months of announcing our pending arrival.
Can you honestly sit behind your monitor and state Saddam Hussein was a peaceful man and no threat to the world, after what we saw during September 11? No, he was not directly behind it, but the links between him and Al Qaeda have been clearly shown from before that tragic day.
Now, since you have chosen to selectively quote, why not comment on the quotes I supplied from John Kerry above? If, as you ascribe, Bush "cooked intelligence," did not Clinton and Kerry also, since Kerry was saying much the same thing, but THREE FULL YEARS BEFORE BUSH WAS ELECTED?
You cannot have it both ways, Khaldun. Those making the same claims long before Bush cannot be honest and Bush dishonest when he comes along later and repeats them.
As for what we did with Saddam during the Iran/Iraq War, when Casper Weinberger was queried about that by Sean Hannity back in February of 2003, the exchange went as;
HANNITY: "This question keeps coming up about the Reagan years and America; that we're the ones that armed Saddam. That's what the leftists are saying. Can you address this once and for all?"
WEINBERGER: "Yes, I certainly will. We were in a situation at that time where Iraq had invaded Iran. We were no friend of Iran. Iran had kept our hostages for hundreds of days. On the other hand we didn't want Iraq to be the ruling power in the region because we knew very well what kind of a government they had and what kind of leadership they had."
"So our role was primarily to ensure that neither one won and that it would be essentially a stalemate. And that's essentially what happened. In the final weeks Iraq decided it couldn't win and then they sued for peace and kind of an uneasy peace settled down."
"But we didn't treat them to weapons or anything of that kind. Some of our companies tried to do that. Some of them probably violated our export control rules. But we in the government certainly did not. And we certainly tried our best to prevent them from getting any weapons on either side."
Dude, the whole "we can't wait..." Bush Doctrine. YOu may not like it but he didn't say imminent...
Sorry. No sale. It's clear enough Saddam was working against us: with Sudan, yes with Al Qaeda, now we find out gave help to the Taliban. Geez. You're right. Bush lied. Kerry lied. president clinton big liar. Sandy Berger..pants on fire (oh, wait...),
It's better we knocked this guy out before he funded the bad guys even more with his dirty oil for food money.
I say the sky resembles the same color as water.
I say the sky would be considered azul by those who speak Spanish.
I say the sky and blueberries are the same color.
But, I never said the "sky is blue."
You people are such partisan hack f**ktards it kills me.
Bush presented lies as fact to stir up fear and support for removing a regime EVERYONE agreed was a growing threat. He presented these lies, when he had the benefit of doubt from everyone in the intelligence community, which he chose to ignore. No f***ing hindsight needed to see that.
If you are so willful to admit Bush lied, then why the need to make continual "see, we were right na na na" posts about finding weapons we ALREADY KNEW Iraq had and ALLOWED him to have? Did you miss post #1 when I quoted Santorum, where he himself said they "are not the weapons we went to war for." No "America hating lefty" quote there.
If our nation is so f**king righteous we would have bombed the hell out of Saddam the minute he used those chemical weapons. But guess what, it was OK because it was to our benefit. At least own up to some f**king truth for once and admit we needed to clean up a mess we allowed to happen, and we are only acting now because Iraq posed a "potential threat" to us as a nation. AND THAT is the ONLY reason.
Our own best interest is always, and has always been at heart. But we're "liberating Iraq, stopping Al Qaeda, finding WMD, fighting terrorists over there instead of here" - what a steaming pile of bulls**t.
But you all can't see past your hackish f**ked up partisan ways. So, please, continue to fight your fellow country man, and be sure to keep imitating your political role models in slander, division, and partisanship.
You people are truly sick f**ks.
Khaldunce, you figure we are political hacks, but consider yourself what, enlightened? ROFLMAO!!!!
Your feeble attempts at discussion always result in your ranting on with posts filled with expletives, a true sign of the uneducated without a clue.
Come back when you graduate the 8th grade.
I figured you'd have nothing to say slew...tough to argue with the truth when it's right in front of your face.
Or is it that I just don't fit your "liberal lefty" mold to attack? That's what makes you a partisan hack. You'll say anything just to condemn liberals, even if they agree with you. You'll ignore fact if it's coming from one of your "Republicans" and still find a way to use it to attack your fellow "liberal" American.
I never said "you are a douche bag," but I sure can imply it. Oh sorry, probably too 8th grade for ya.
Khaldunce, nice dodge (and I don't mean the truck).
As a matter off act, you fit exactly into my view of a liberal lefty moron, your expletive filled posts prove that.
Your projection of Liberal Tactics onto conservatives doesn't wash.
When you really want truth, try listening to those who have been there and done that.
slew says -
"When you really want truth, try listening to those who have been there and done that."
Please, don't hold back slew, grace us with the "real truth."
I have been all along.
Amen! Brer Bear, Amen!
Still no confirmation by the President or DOD. Nothing outside hardright media. Strange.
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