909 Illegal Aliens in Oregon's county jails. See the entire list here at Daniel is Right and see Daniel's Political Musings here to see how he got this list. Plus check out the offenses these hard-working-taking-the-jobs-Americans-won't-do-guys are in for: Murder, Rape I, Sodomy, selling drugs within a thousand feet of a SCHOOL, Manslaughter. And what do we get for all the "hard work" they do committing crimes "Americans Won't Do"? A $22 MILLION DOLLAR BILL. Oregon: The Sanctuary State. Commit a Crime on Us!
Wednesday, May 10, 2006
Oregon's Illegal Alien Prisoners Cost You Heart Ache AND $22 Mil/Year
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$286.4 BILLION for the highway bill just passed by Congress - the most expensive public works legislation in US history.
The bill funnels upward of $941 million to 119 earmarked projects in Alaska:
- $223 million for a mile-long bridge linking an island with 50 residents to the town of Ketchikan on the mainland.
- $231 million is earmarked for a new bridge in Anchorage
- $3 million for a film ''about infrastructure that demonstrates advancements in Alaska, the last frontier."
- Horse riding facilities in Virginia ($600,000).
- A snowmobile trail in Vermont ($5.9 million).
- Parking for New York's Harlem Hospital ($8 million).
- A bicycle and pedestrian trail in Tennessee ($532,000).
- A daycare center and park-and-ride facility in Illinois ($1.25 million).
- Dust control mitigation for rural Arkansas ($3 million).
- The National Packard Museum in Ohio ($2.75 million).
- A historical trolley project in Washington ($200,000).
And on and on and on....
Illegal or not, I for one think keeping criminals off the street is money well spent.
suomynona,
I agree that keeping criminals off the street is a good idea. The problem is having illegal immigrants that also are criminals taking up space and funds to put away even more criminals if they were not here.
Way to completely ignore my point kodiak, well done!
Well I have been taking lessons here on this blog.
Point is, all the pissing and moaning about "illegal" criminals taken off the streets for a piddly $20 mil compared to $233 mil for a bridge in Alaska to an island with only 50 people (and that's just for one of the 119 projects in Alaska!) is quite silly.
Maybe more of our dollars could be spent to keep law abiding citizens safe instead of making a way for 50 people to get to and from some island.
I guess because the pork is pushed through by your Republican buddies, it is of no concern...?
I know, you'll all cry about how no one is doing anything to deport illegals and how much they are costing us, and they don't belong here, and we're all going to have to speak Spanish, and blah blah blah - but hey, $223 mil dollar bridges for 50 people is great.
Plus...if it really bothers you that much, go drop the old shoes you were going to throw away at your local GoodWill, and write off the $6 you lost last year keeping dangerous criminals off the streets.
Gee you assume so much. Both sides are attaching pork to every bill. Lets not go where GOP pork bad DEM pork good routine.
This is an election year as you know and the politicians have to buy off the voters.
Stop thinking that as a conservative I would support such boondoggles no matter which party supports them.
suomynona,
You do not mind spending money on jailing illegal aliens(individuals who should not be here in the first place) who commit crimes but object to funding a bridge to nowhere. Both issues I feel that the taxpayers should not be on the hook for. The 22 million would be better spent on other crime related issues and the millions for the bridge would be better spent on border security.
I really do not see much difference between our positions.
No good pork, bad pork. However one of the largest porkers in history gets overwhelming votes in a congress under Republican control...so much for the fiscal party.
Either way, the fact remains that the big complaint of the day is about a measly amount of money spent on keeping criminals off the streets, whether they are supposed to be here or not.
Victoria would be better off pissing and moaning about the Tram costs - remember, something we really don't need?
The 22 million would be better spent on other crime related issues and the millions for the bridge would be better spent on border security.
What "other crime related issues" are better suited than getting dangerous criminals off the streets? And yes, I don't mind spending because they are here and they aren't going anywhere. I'd rather not have them in my back yard committing heinous crimes.
I think $6 a year is worth it. I'd pay $12 - whoa! I know...I'm crazy!
I'll give you a nod for the border security spending, that should have been started 9/12/2001.
suomynona,
See we can agree on some issues. Just don't let that get around.
How about a certain jail located in Multnomah county built but lacks funding for operation thus sits empty and unused.
What about it?...and it's about to get used by Clark County in WA.
How much do you think is needed to run it w/o Clark County
My rough number is about $16 per Multnomah County Resident.
There are approximately 672,161 oregonians residing in Multnomah county as of 2004. At your rough number of $16/resident = $10,754,576.00 to operate that jail. That leaves $11,245,424 or approximately 16.73 per multnomah county resident.
Uh, hello? People? Ya listening to yourselves? Murder, rape, assault? Worth anything to ya? The fact that those crimes wouldn't have been committed by these people if they hadn't ILLEGALLY crossed the border? Does this apparent revelation mean anything to you? That not only do we have to suffer these crimes but must suffer the further indignity of paying for the 'privilege' of incarcerating these animals? This is apparently okay with you because it pencils out to within a few cents of your budget? You're really saying this is okay because it's COST EFFECTIVE?
Here's my work (show your work I guess..)
$3 million in funding secured for the proposed 2007 budget - enough to put prisoners in 150 beds.
There are 525 beds in the jail.
That is $20,000 per bed, based on the 2007 budget numbers.
Total number for 525 beds:
$10,500,000
There are approximately 672,161 oregonians residing in Multnomah county as of 2004
Ok, I was going with 2000 numbers, which was at 660,486.
So then, revised with your pop number:
$105,000,000 / 672,161 = 15.621...
Round to $15, I get the in essence same result and not far off of your estimate.
What might be interesting, is to find out what makes up the rest of the expenditures for Multnomah County during the fiscal year.
Victoria, yeah, it's great to think how the crimes done by the "illegal" criminals wouldn't have happened if they weren't here - but they are, and that's not changing any time soon.
So you think maybe citizens should be happy that such heinous criminals are off the streets in the meantime? You think maybe they should feel confident knowing that such a system is in place to keep them safer and that it costs so little?
It's OK with me that our tax dollars spent towards keeping us safe are doing just that, be it illegals or not.
I didn't hear you say anything about that Alaska bridge money that could be better spent on border security....or did you miss that part of our discussion while your eyes were swelling?
Okay, my turn, backwards anon.
Complaining about they wouldn't have committed the crimes if they weren't here is closing the barn door after the horse got out. I’ll have to agree with you there. (don’t let it get around) They are here and they have committed the crime. So, what do we do?
Sending them back just leaves them open to return the same way they came in the first place. I assume they would once again commit the same crime as well. So, some type of incarceration is in order.
Sealing the borders isn't something either party seems interested in, so I guess we are stuck with the illegal Illegals.
My plan? Chain gangs, for one. For lesser crimes committed they could stay in either tents or barracks and have to work for the state during the day, cleaning the roads, cutting grass, emptying sewers. No cushy prisons, if I had my choice. Sorry, I don't believe in "prisoner rights."
The amount of money being spent to incarcerate Illegals is ridiculous. Why are they entitled to luxuries they wouldn't receive in their own countries? Jail them as if they were in their countries. Capital crimes that merit the death penalty should be carried out within two years, regardless of what the host country's government says. If they don't like our laws, keep their people home.
As it stands right now, whether in jail or freely walking our streets, Illegals receive far more here than at home. Remove the luxuries they are freely taking advantage of and maybe they won't want to be here. If they have communicable health problems, yes, treat them and then send them right back to their host country. Bill the host country for treatment costs incurred.
A perfect plan? No. But the amount of money being spent to care for illegal criminals is outrageous. Sorry, they have no rights since they are here illegally. If maters are so harsh in their country what’s the big deal if they receive the same harshness in prisons? They should be used to it and maybe, once their sentence is over, they may think twice about coming back in. Of course, I’m beginning to believe neither party will ever secure the border, so other measures must be taken.
Oh, those pork barrel projects you mention, backwards anon, are from both parties. Both have endless desires to spend, spend, spend and buy votes to keep in office. Quite honestly, although off topic, I’m ready for a strong third party to break the gridlock and squabbling between Democrats and Republicans in D.C.
lew, you have a very skewed vision of justice, a lack in understanding of realistic jail conditions, and a funny interpretation of "luxury."
I would like to believe the reasons "illegals" and/or enemies of America receive such good treatment is because we are better. We are more humane. We are a culture that loves and embraces humanity, even that of our enemy. I won't be gleefully ignorant in thinking such fallacies like "we don't torture" or that our enemies will not take such kindness in killing us, but I would hope that we would always offer even the most horrible criminal offender a just and swift consequence, along with the most humane treatment possible.
Your response in the opposite saddens me.
And yes, the pork comes from both sides. Gotta give the Repubs credit for cutting taxes too. Our pals like Victoria got another tax break today.
Of course you think my view of justice is skewed, backwards, you wouldn't be the liberal socialist we all know otherwise.
Still, I stand by making them not wish to be here if they break criminal laws here, nevermind breaking immigration laws.
Appeasement never works, never has, even with criminals. To me, Sherriff Joe Arpiao has it right. Why should criminals live better than our troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Is it nice? No. But, was their crime nice? Prisoners don't need artwork, weight benches and color TV.
Funny, though, as we move further and further away from my skewed view of justice, the crime rates have increased. Now, we are having even more illegals join in with gangs and other crimes and they end up staying here being treated fairly well, comparatively.
Americans don't recieve special treatment in foreign jails, why fo illegals immigrants receive better than their nation gives here?
If you can't do the tiime, don't do the criime. Better yet, stay home and expend all that energy they do here in making their country's economy better. Then come visit as tourist or a legal immigrant.
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