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Before the usual onslaught of Muslim bashing begins, allow me to remind all that currently, there are several thousand American Muslims serving in the U.S. Armed Services, many serving in either Iraq or Afghanistan with some having already made the ultimate sacrifice.
Like others, I do necessarily agree with the religion of Islam, but can’t see condemning all Muslims any more than I can condemn all Baptists and Pentecostals because of the Ku Klux Klan. But, blanket condemnations of Muslims would include those serving and protecting us currently as well. Terrorists and radicals are worthy of scorn and bashing. American Muslim Service members are not. If no distinction is made, you are condemning them as well, whether you intended to or not.
Returning from Viet Nam, I, like many others, faced an angry nation and the anti-war left, calling me baby killer, murderer, drug addict and whatever. I would hope that American Muslims returning from the War on Terror are not faced with cat calls of “Raghead,” “Sand N****r” or other less than complimentary names.
If you Support the Troops, as many claim, I hope you mean ALL of the Troops, not just the Christian ones. Muslims have served in the American Military through every single war we have fought and are as deserving of our honor and respect as any other Soldier, Airman, Sailor or Marine.
Hey lew!
You have framed a point here that causes me pause in my opinion about freedom of the press vs. what offends.
(Your wisdom has been missing around here.)
Hey Eric. I noticed a error in my post. "Like others, I do necessarily agree with the religion of Islam," should read "do NOT."
I too had to modify my own thinking when, during searches, I stumbled across an Arab/Muslims serving web site. Being a Veteran myself, I felt downright ashamed that I hadn't considered them serving also.
I think this cartoon was put up for humor, but even then, the all out Muslim bashing occurs. That's why I've taken to speaking out about it and yes, I have received a lot of grief over it. No biggie, I'm a big boy.
I've been pretty busy, but will stop by once in a while, just to keep Liberals honest, LOL ;)
I noticed a error in my post. "Like others, I do necessarily agree with the religion of Islam," should read "do NOT."
Already assumed.
I think you stopping by could keep some of these conservatives honest too.
eric,
Now are you saying all conservatives are dis-honest?
Let me be specific there are those who profess to be of the islamic faith and are using some misguided followers to effect a political outcome. It is those people who manipulate others that I throw my bricks at.
That does not mean that some of the followers are not willing participants.
"Now are you saying all conservatives are dis-honest?"
"some" does not mean all.
If you've read anything I've said around here, you would agree I'm a huge opponent to broad generalizations about anyone, or any group. So please don't try to frame something I said in such a way.
I'll throw a bone to you here (you can quote me)
"Conservatives and Liberals alike, are not all honest in motivation or intent."
Hats off to Muslims in the US Military. I however do not look at them as Muslim Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen. They are fellow soldiers to me. I know for a fact that they share less with Muslim terrorists other than part of the name.
The truth is that the Muslims that I associate with on a daily basis have nothing but contempt when the terrorists are mentioned. Oddly though they use the term Muslim terrorist also. And think that we should be profiling.
One of them really flew off the handle when Nick Berg was murdered on prime time Al Jazeera.
Yes eric you and i have already gone around about generalizations.
I can also agree that some conservative/liberal partisans are not intellectually honest in presenting facts of an issue.
On a another note what lew says about supporting the troops. I do not have litmus test for supporting troops. American troops are just that American troops.
"The Religion of Peace is Outed"
Hmm, should ask Vic to explain her headline then, as we all seem to agree that it's not the religion, but the terrible acts of the few that claim to be?
You idiots, Victoria says it right on the money.
Look at how these nuts react to cartoons that aren't even offensive!
I'll back ya up Victoria, these Muslims are nothing but "peace loving" terrorists.
Please define "these Muslims"
I'll take a dollar for each "peace loving" muslim who refuses to renounce terrorism and acknowledges Israel's right to exist.....and that would make me a BILLIONAIRE!! You morons on the left carry their water, and the dog that remains silent is any non-violent voice from the "religion of peace." If you don't speak for them, bombs and hate are their only statements.
Bear,
You have a point if members of islamic faith remain silent about the violence then it is reasonable to conclude that they support terrorism. They need to speak out against terrorism other wise lose credibility.
In Israel's case they regard the terrorists as freedom fighters.
We have former presidents and vice president out carrying water for them right now.
I agree 100%! They are all absolutely, totally guilty until otherwise proven innocent...
their own silence in the face of continuing violence in Israel and elsewhere condemns them. Clinton and Gore are now egging them on. The religion of terrorism leaders who are calling for an end to the demonstrations are only doing so because their plan has back-fired. They have admitted to the world that the violence has turned huge numbers of people against them, and thus, the religion of animals is revealed for all to see. (except, of course, to the lefties here. they'll continue to carry water for anyone who shares their hatred for America.)
the religion of animals is revealed for all to see. (except, of course, to the lefties here
First, I am about as far from the left as a person can get.
Second, your issuance of the blanket "religion of animals" is exactly why I posted what I did in the beginning. Several thousand of those "animals" are currently serving in both theaters fighting against terrorists.
Third. Several thousand more of those "animals" are serving alongside Americans fighting terrorists and trying to give Democracy a chance in their own countries. True, not all of them, but more than the leftstream media lets known.
If all are considered "animals," feel free to contact the families below and inform them their loved ones were "animals."
“Not every Arabic person is a terrorist. I wish people would understand that we aren’t all bad; we’re good people, we’re freedom-loving people. Unfortunately, a small portion of our people are misrepresenting us.” “I joined the Army to serve the country whose way of living I believe in and to prove to the whole world that not every Arabic Muslim is a terrorist,” “The way I see it, my life is a cheap price to pay for this nation’s freedom. I’m an American Soldier, now and forever,” Pfc. Shady Hamad, E Company, 1st Battalion, 19th Infantry Regiment.
http://www.tradoc.army.mil/pao/people_portraits/061104.htm
"It’s not the religion of Islam that’s making people do this (terrorism). They should read the Quran because the message is peace.” "The things that Saddam did over there, the oppression, it’s disgusting." "They (Iraqi women) would hold my hand and look at (me) like they were trying to figure out — ‘Your husband let you be in the military?’" "They all accepted me as their sister." National Guard Sgt. Tanya Abdul-Karim Williams, 118th Medical Battalion, recently completed one year tour in Iraq.
http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14974872&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=517515&rfi=6
“Instead of running, he stood forward to the oncoming taxi to prevent it from going inside. Even being in Iraq, surrounded by moral peril, I knew he would do the right thing. That he was there to protect and to save lives." Shahrayar Khan, older brother of Capt. Humayun Khan who died in Iraq trying to stop a suicide bomber.
http://www.patrioticapaam.org/VOA-SuicideBomber.htm
"Dad, I would never do that. This is my country and I will do whatever it takes," National Guard Spc. David Roustum, in reply to his Fathers suggestion he flee to Syria to avoid serving in Iraq. Killed while serving with the 108th Infantry Regiment, Baghdad.
http://www.patrioticapaam.org/soldierdiesiraq.htm
Many Muslims are not silent about terror, but you would never know that from the lack of reports in the leftstream media. Like Christianity, there are varying sects in Islam and beliefs do differ somewhat.
Christianity as well has some that have remained silent on the issue. The Vatican has strongly opposed this war as well. What does that make Catholics and other Christian groups that are also silent?
regarding my previous post concerning silence and a reasonable assumption of approval or support. Their silence allows others to make this interpretation for them.
This situation brings to mind a story about a young woman who was being raped and murdered in a stair well of a apartment building while neighbors looked on and did nothing.
My comments and I believe that bear's comments do not apply to members of the islamic fath who serve in the armed services or those who speak out against the violance of the so-called radicals. However, there are still a large number of those whose silence that is deafing on the violence.
It is critical that true followers of the islamic faith not be like those neighbors who watched that yong woman die and stand up and defend their faith from those who have hijacked it.
k - "They need to speak out against terrorism other wise lose credibility."
b - "their own silence in the face of continuing violence in Israel and elsewhere condemns them."
k - "My comments and I believe that bear's comments do not apply to members of the islamic fath who serve in the armed services or those who speak out against the violance of the so-called radicals."
So, your point is
If a majority or minority does not voice opposition to acts of the minority or majority, both are equal?
That's correct depending on the circimstances, in this case violence and the threat of violence.
In this case a minority of adherents to the islamic faith that are being violent and the failure to speak out against violence by the majority adherents are equal. The silent majority failure to act is taken as approval by the minority.
"If a majority or minority does not voice opposition to acts of the minority or majority, both are equal?"
" That's correct depending on the circimstances.."
You don't get to apply this logic where you see fit. It's either true for all or true for none. Point being, your logic of all equal until voiced otherwise is flawed. More so the fact you argue no majority in the Islamic faith has condemned any violent acts attributed to such religion.
Perhaps the silence is more the leftstream media instead of many Muslims?
http://www.uga.edu/islam/nineeleven.html#muslimresponses
Says you, the last time I looked this was America and there was thing such as freedom of speech. Oops I forgot to check with the thought police to OK this response, be right back.
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